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Yes, Someone speaking on behalf of human rights is wrong. :roll:


Let us now look at what Saudi Arabia's response is... Oh my.

'Canada is the world's worst oppressor of women': Saudi Arabia's bizarre propaganda campaign
A Saudi-owned TV channel claims that University of Toronto professor Jordan Peterson is a Canadian prisoner of conscience

Within hours of Saudi Arabia expelling Canada’s ambassador, the country’s broadcasters and pro-government social media accounts ramped into high gear digging up dirt on its newest enemy.

A recurring theme of Saudi attacks against Canada is “those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones,” an expression that is roughly the same in both English and Arabic.

For this argument to hold up, though, it has placed Saudi propagandists in the uncomfortable position of having to prove that Canada is a pariah state of oppression, death and misery.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/sa ... nst-canada

Fuck Saudi Arabia and those who support a state that's the source of the 9/11 attacks, and too many human rights violations to count. @skinster is point on.
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Godstud wrote:Fuck Saudi Arabia and those who support a state that's the source of the 9/11 attacks, and too many human rights violations to count. @skinster is point on.
Most of the west supports the Saudis, Canada sold military equipment to them recently.

Also who says "human rights" are good for humanity. It is a liberal progressive legal code, not some sort of sacred enshrined cannon.
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Yes, and I don't like that Canada did that, and had plans for more trade with them.

Albert wrote:Also who says "human rights" are good for humanity.
Most reasonable humans, with an iota of compassion and human empathy.

If you people want to be on Albert's side on this... feel free. Like minds and all. :lol:
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Albert wrote:Most of the west supports the Saudis, Canada sold military equipment to them recently.

Also who says "human rights" are good for humanity. It is a liberal progressive legal code, not some sort of sacred enshrined cannon.

Canon, Albert, canon.

Also, why don't you go back to Russia if you hate human rights and liberal progressives so much? Breathing the same air as they breathe in and out may be even poisonous to you.
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Albert wrote:Most of the west supports the Saudis
Most of the West isn't saying a fucking word about this. Cowards.

Beren wrote:Canon, Albert, canon.
No, he said it right. This is about that big enshrined cannon that we have in Ottawa. It's polished daily by our tormented minorities and oppressed women. It's called a Bill of Rights. USA and most other civilized countries have a similar cannon. :D
(Just taking the piss, @Albert.)

Enshrined cannon? It is a lovely cannon. I'll give it that.
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Edit: Fixed a misquote. Sorry.
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#14938946
This just proves that the ideal nation for American neo-cons is Saudi Arabia except with plenty of imperialism (although Saudi Arabia would love to engage in it). In fact, if I were to explain the entire Saudi Arabian political system to a neo-conservative, they would probably love it.

For neo-liberals or "classic liberals" however, Dubai is probably their ideal political system.
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Beren wrote:Canon, Albert, canon.

Also, why don't you go back to Russia if you hate human rights and liberal progressives so much? Breathing the same air as they breathe in and out may be even poisonous to you.
Well you can't escape it apparently, because even in Russia some Canadian ambassador will try to force it on evryone ("with an iota of compassion and human empathy"). Globalism Beren, remember.
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I am not defending Saudi Arabia in any way, I only point out the Canadian misplaced sense of superiority. They have burnt their tuches and now they have to sit on it :lol:

That said, I laugh at skinster's taking side against Saudi Arabia, because Saudi Arabia is Iran's enemy and Iran is Israel's enemy. The enemy of my friend is also my enemy. I suppose that is the total geopolitical grasp that skinster has of the world :D

The following article from Reuters sheds some new light on the dispute: the Canadian embassy in SA translated the demand in Arabic and tweeted it to all its 12,000 followers. If it were only in English, probably nothing would have happened.

A Canadian tweet in a Saudi king's court crosses a red line

OTTAWA/RIYADH/DUBAI (Reuters) - For years, Canadian pressure on human rights in Saudi Arabia had elicited no more than a standard rejection. But all that changed last week, when a Canadian complaint was translated into Arabic and set off a diplomatic row.

When Riyadh responded to a call from Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland to release civil society activists with an abrupt severing of diplomatic and trade ties, Canadian officials were left scrambling to understand what had happened.

What Ottawa did not anticipate was that in the eyes of the Saudis they had crossed a red line.

On Aug. 2, Freeland tweeted here in English and French, calling for the release of two jailed Saudi human rights activists. The following day, Canada's foreign affairs department sent another tweet here, urging Saudi Arabia to "immediately release" those and other activists.

That was translated here into Arabic by its embassy in Riyadh and sent out on Aug. 5 to its approximately 12,000 followers.

The reaction from Saudi Arabia was swift. Hours after the Arabic tweet, the Saudi government recalled its ambassador, barred Canada’s envoy from returning and placed a ban on new trade.

Two Gulf sources said it was the tweet from the embassy that upset Saudi officials the most.

“Matters were being handled through usual channels but the tweet was a break with diplomatic norms and protocol,” said one of the sources, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The sources did not clarify exactly how the tweet broke with diplomacy, but regional experts said it was the step of sending it to a domestic audience that would have angered Saudi officials.

“The Saudi retaliation took some time to allow for political talks in closed doors,” Salman al-Ansari, founder of the Washington-based Saudi American Public Relation Affairs Committee, said.

“They thought the Canadians would take steps to back off, but all of a sudden they tweeted it in Arabic. This was a very provocative action by the Canadians to try to embarrass the Saudis in front of their people. The Saudis did not take this lightly at all.”

Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Jubeir raised the issue of the Arabic tweet in a call with Freeland on Tuesday, and complained about interference, a person familiar with the matter who declined to be named said.

Canadian officials say there was nothing remarkable about the Arabic tweet, which merely repeated Ottawa’s stated position in a common practice for delegations abroad.

Canada has raised the issue of civil society activist detentions before. As recently as May, Canada’s Riyadh embassy tweeted in English its concern about activist arrests and said it was “crucial that the rule of law” be respected, with no public Saudi response.
‘COLLATERAL DAMAGE’

The outsized reaction to the tweet underscores how the kingdom is taking a much harsher stance against what it perceives as Western interference in its internal affairs on issues like human rights, perhaps emboldened by Washington’s willingness under Donald Trump to de-emphasize rights issues when it comes to its allies.

Riyadh and Washington have been enjoying an exceptionally close relationship – tense during the administration of former U.S. President Barack Obama – as both Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Trump share similar concerns about Iran. By contrast, Trump and Trudeau locked horns during the G7 summit in June in an unusually public manner.

The U.S. State Department this week urged the two sides to use diplomacy to resolve the dispute.

“Canada is collateral damage,” said Thomas Juneau, an assistant professor and Middle East expert at the University of Ottawa. “This fundamentally is not about Canada. This is about Saudi Arabia wanting to send a broader message to its neighbors, to other democracies.”

Canadian foreign affairs officials including Freeland, who were gathered at a Vancouver hotel for a conference on Sunday, were taken aback by the Saudi reaction and left scrambling. Canada, government insiders said, was still unclear on what steps it can take to “fix its big mistake”, as a Saudi official called it.

“I don’t think we have a conclusive understanding as of right now,” said a Canadian government source. “There may be the need for another call (between Freeland and Jubeir). We’re also obviously talking to our partners about it. We do not wish to have bad relations with them (the Saudis).”

Inside Saudi Arabia, the measures were supported by a media campaign criticizing Canada’s human rights record and praising the Saudi ruler’s firmness in “protecting the kingdom’s sovereignty.”

Saudi state television channels aired reports on the struggle of indigenous people in Canada and said they had been historically subject to discrimination. Other reports listed “the worst Canadian prisons” and described harsh prison conditions.

Thousands of Twitter accounts bearing Saudi flags tweeted on the dispute, elevating the phrase “Saudi Arabia expels the Canadian ambassador” to one of the world’s most popular hashtags. Many of the tweets used suspiciously similar language, often a sign of a coordinated campaign by bots, or automated accounts.

Saud al-Qahtani, a senior royal court adviser, tweeted a link announcing the decision to ban new trade on Monday along with the hashtag “Saudi first” - echoing a phrase popularized by Trump.

Reporting by David Ljunggren in Ottawa, Aziz El Yaakoubi in Riyadh and Katie Paul in Dubai; Additional reporting by Ghaida Ghantous in Dubai, Yara Bayoumy in Washington and Allison Martell in Toronto; Writing by Amran Abocar; Editing by Rosalba O'Brien
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saud ... SKBN1KV2FC
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@Ter

This is assuming that Israel would offer anything to the US in an alliance with them. Seems to me that the West gives aid to Israel out of any obligation on their part, not because they're "friends" by any means. Also Saudi Arabia is against Israel as well. It is out of the hostility between Israel and Saudi Arabia that the US makes much of it's arms deals. The anticipation of movement from both sides along with the paranoia that goes with that is how the US made it's money.

Furthermore, just because there are geopolitical realities to supporting Saudi Arabia doesn't mean that it is morally right to support Saudi Arabia. If you think that morality is irrelevant in this context, then you have no right to speak of the "decadent left" in any degree for if morality is irrelevant in this context, it is irrelevant in all contexts. Morality isn't morality if it isn't applied universally.
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Oxymandias wrote:@Ter

This is assuming that Israel would offer anything to the US in an alliance with them. Seems to me that the West gives aid to Israel out of any obligation on their part, not because they're "friends" by any means. Also Saudi Arabia is against Israel as well. It is out of the hostility between Israel and Saudi Arabia that the US makes much of it's arms deals. The anticipation of movement from both sides along with the paranoia that goes with that is how the US made it's money.

Furthermore, just because there are geopolitical realities to supporting Saudi Arabia doesn't mean that it is morally right to support Saudi Arabia. If you think that morality is irrelevant in this context, then you have no right to speak of the "decadent left" in any degree for if morality is irrelevant in this context, it is irrelevant in all contexts. Morality isn't morality if it isn't applied universally.

@Oxymandias
I have no idea why you are saying all these things.
I have not supported Saudi Arabia, I only made fun of Canada.
Please read what I wrote.
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@Ter

I read what you wrote, that is why I made that post in the first place. I address one point you made:

That said, I laugh at skinster's taking side against Saudi Arabia, because Saudi Arabia is Iran's enemy and Iran is Israel's enemy. The enemy of my friend is also my enemy. I suppose that is the total geopolitical grasp that skinster has of the world :D


It is this that I took issue from.
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Oxymandias wrote:I read what you wrote, that is why I made that post in the first place. I address one point you made:

That said, I laugh at skinster's taking side against Saudi Arabia, because Saudi Arabia is Iran's enemy and Iran is Israel's enemy. The enemy of my friend is also my enemy. I suppose that is the total geopolitical grasp that skinster has of the world :D



It is this that I took issue from.


I still don't see how you can conclude that I support Saudi Arabia from that quote. I merely pointed out that skinster is a poster interested in one thing only, namely the destruction of Israel.
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