[One Degree]

As the presidential candidate of the Social Liberal party Bolsonaro :

• espouses populist and nationalist views that often stray into far-right territory

• is a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage, abortion and immigration

• has defended the death penalty and the 1964-85 military dictatorship

• is pro free market and privatisation

• has praised Gen Pinochet

• expressed support for torturers and called for political opponents to be shot

• paints himself as a tropical Donald Trump

• on top of repeated calls for a return to dictatorship, he has made equally inflammatory attacks on women, black people, gay people, foreigners and indigenous communities

Libertarian Fascism in its pure form, I think.

Source?
I have no idea, but your comments are similar to what I have seen as liberal attacks upon Trump. How much is based upon distortion of random remarks and how much is part of his actual platform?

[Beren]

Source?

Profile
Who is Jair Bolsonaro?

Biography
Born in Glicério in São Paulo in 1955 to parents of Italian descent, he served in the army from 1971 until 1988, when he was elected as a city councillor in Rio de Janeiro for the Christian Democratic party. In 1990, he became a federal congressman for the same party. He has since been affiliated with a number of political parties. On 22 July, he was officially nominated as the presidential candidate of the Social Liberal party.

Policies
Bolsonaro espouses populist and nationalist views that often stray into far-right territory. A vocal opponent of same-sex marriage, abortion, immigration and other progressive causes, he has defended the death penalty and the 1964-85 military dictatorship. On foreign policy, he has said he wants to improve relations with the US. Economically he says he is pro free market and privatisation.

Political style
Deliberately provocative and polarising. He has praised Gen Pinochet, expressed support for torturers and called for political opponents to be shot, earning him the label of "the most misogynistic, hateful elected official in the democratic world”. In his bid to capitalise on Latin America’s lurch to the right, he paints himself as a tropical Donald Trump: a pro-gun, anti-establishment crusader set on "draining the swamp" and cracking down on violent crime.

Controversies
On top of repeated calls for a return to dictatorship, he has made equally inflammatory attacks on women, black people, gay people, foreigners and indigenous communities. Earlier this year, he was charged by the attorney general with inciting hate speech.

Support and first round victory
Bolsonaro has a devout following among some conservative voters, who admire his promises to get tough on rampant violent crime, and won 46% of the vote in the election's first round.

[One Degree]

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Thanks, but did not really help. They did not really provide anything to support their opinion.
There is no substitute for being there and actually knowing day to day what is going on I guess. One more reason we should leave other people to solve their own problems.

[JohnRawls]

I don't know what you mean. Bolivia's Morales is the only one who somewhat qualifies as a traditional leftist strong man, though he's not a socialist either.

Perhaps i didn't word it correctly. Let me call it severe leftist swing (Socialism was overblowing it).

[Beren]

Thanks, but did not really help. They did not really provide anything to support their opinion.

I'm sure it's all lies and The Guardian shouldn't be quoted or referred to on PoFo, unless they tell us what Bolsonaro exactly said.

[Rugoz]

Perhaps i didn't word it correctly. Let me call it severe leftist swing (Socialism was overblowing it).

I guess if the electoral victory of social democrats can be called a "severe leftist swing"...

[One Degree]

I'm sure it's all lies and The Guardian shouldn't be quoted or referred to on PoFo, unless they tell us what Bolsonaro exactly said.

I never said it was lies. I just said they provided no evidence for what they were saying. I realize they have limited space for detailed evidence, and I don’t expect it.
They did give me reason to wonder...
They separated the comments about his platform from the serious accusations. The part devoted to his platform was just Trump stuff, if I recall. Then it was a new paragraph and the more serious accusations which opens up the question as why they are separated.
No big deal, but they certainly gave me no reason to simply accept what they said.

[Beren]

IT’S TIME FOR LIBERTARIAN FASCISM

PUBLISHED: 8th August, 2017 | By Richard Heathen
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This still doesn’t answer how to construct a libertarian society. The answer to that is force. Violence. For close to a hundred years libertarians and conservatives have stood by trying to make patient and well rounded arguments in good faith to people who want nothing less then to take their wealth, disenfranchise them as well as their offspring, and burn their civilization to the ground. While you’ve been working on your argumentation ethics and trying to make well reasoned arguments, the communists have been plotting to take power and kill you. We have to take power and enforce our will on the world. This type of talk is unsettling to a lot of libertarians, but it’s a fact. Our ancestors didn’t build great civilizations by sitting around and debating, they went out into the world and took action. They fought and conquered their enemies and they built a better world. The desire for liberty is an expression of what Oswald Spengler called the Faustian Spirit of Western Man. We have to harness this spirit of our ancestors once again and build a new great civilization using what has worked in the past as a framework.

What would this “libertarian fascism” look like? Picture a society where the state is formed like a corporation, the shares of which are owned by noble families. Much like Hoppe discussed in his book Democracy the God that Failed, these men (yes men) would plot a long term strategy and the tactics for managing the resources of the state. There would be decentralized courts that would operate on the basis of libertarian common law, and law enforcement would be decentralized. Police and military would be decentralized as much as possible and both would taught that part of their duty was keeping the other martial organizations in check. As I documented in my film, Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism, social engineering happens and I suspect it will always happen. The church, an institution which played a central role in social life during the greatest epochs of Western Civilization, would return to it’s rightful place as a central social institution around which most social life was centred, and from where people adopted their ethics. As I touched on earlier, people generally receive their views of morality from their community.
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[Rugoz]

I never said it was lies. I just said they provided no evidence for what they were saying. I realize they have limited space for detailed evidence, and I don’t expect it.

I posted this link on the first page of this thread:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro

3 seconds of googling would have revealed the same. Why so f***ing lazy?

[One Degree]

I posted this link on the first page of this thread:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro

3 seconds of googling would have revealed the same. Why so f***ing lazy?

If you could not see bias written all over that, that is not my problem. You don’t need to know anything about the situation to see that was pure propaganda.

[B0ycey]

Surely you are not questioning whether Bolsonaro believes these things One Degree? Rugoz is correct, the quotes can be Googled in like 5 seconds.

Your doubt is similar to the false flag believers in Charlotteville. It's funny really as you don't doubt anything Trump says.

[One Degree]

Surely you are not questioning whether Bolsonaro believes these things One Degree? Rugoz is correct, the quotes can be Googled in like 5 seconds.

Your doubt is similar to the false flag believers in Charlotteville. It's funny really as you don't doubt anything Trump says.

I keep repeating it, but it never sinks in.
My only interest is the people decided they were turning away from liberal globalism. They do not want some universal morality code. They want to make their own decisions.
I don’t care what decisions they make. That is the whole point of the movement. Those upset are simply arguing they are wrong for wanting something different than what they think they should. That is exactly the thinking that is being rejected. It seems liberals simply can not comprehend their thinking was rejected and is now totally irrelevant to the Brazilians.

[Beren]

Surely you are not questioning whether Bolsonaro believes these things One Degree? Rugoz is correct, the quotes can be Googled in like 5 seconds.

If Bolsonaro means to be the Brazilian Trump, then he must be Trump squared at least anyway.

[One Degree]

If Bolsonaro means to be the Brazilian Trump, then he must be Trump squared at least anyway.

This may be true. I don’t know. It does not matter if he is a fascist dictator unless he attempts to coerce other countries. Then it is my concern. Until then, it is the concern of Brazilians. It is none of our business as long as it is all internal.

[Zionist Nationalist]

look at this asshole how he tries to persude the Brazilians to vote for anyone except Bolsonaro

The American celebs have lost their mind and I have lost my respect to almost all of hollywood except a few respected persons like Clint Eastwood

if this will keep going Hollywood wont re relevant anymore in a decade from now

[Rugoz]

This may be true. I don’t know. It does not matter if he is a fascist dictator unless he attempts to coerce other countries. Then it is my concern. Until then, it is the concern of Brazilians. It is none of our business as long as it is all internal.

So what, we're not allowed to have opinions about other countries' internal politics now?

[skinster]

[One Degree]

So what, we're not allowed to have opinions about other countries' internal politics now?

You can. I just think it is self righteous to do so. I don’t understand how people concerned with equality don’t think people in other countries are capable of making the correct decisions for themselves. To tell yourself you are doing it for their own good, is to consider them children. So what if they make mistakes. Now, that is a right I think people should have. You learn a lot that way.

[Sivad]

[Rugoz]

You can. I just think it is self righteous to do so. I don’t understand how people concerned with equality don’t think people in other countries are capable of making the correct decisions for themselves. To tell yourself you are doing it for their own good, is to consider them children. So what if they make mistakes. Now, that is a right I think people should have. You learn a lot that way.

There's nothing self-righteous about an opinion because it's a freaking opinion. Go bother someone else with your straw men.