[skinster]

I wish the deep state supported left wing progressives as much as the dipshits on this forum think they do

It really is hilarious that people believe things like that, given how the left in the U.S. is a very tiny minority.

[Red_Army]

They are currently getting pilloried by the democratic establishment for daring to say Beto O'Rourke is not particularly progressive with his policy record.

[maz]

Not to me, since he drove into a crowd and no one was seriously hurt, but the woman that died. Most situations like that result in manslaughter convictions. However, I don't know what the jury was told.

The jury was told that Fields did it intentionally because he posted memes on the internet.

32 year olds don't normally have heart attacks, Rich.
Incidentally...

Medical Examiner Rules Heyer Died from Blunt Force Injury
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36610772/med ... rce-injury.

[Red_Army]

What do you think he had a seizure? There is video of him crashing into people and then backing out. Also I guarantee all 4 of you guys are overweight and close to death.

[blackjack21]

*Gears whirring as I watch a nazi who is also my hero plow through a crowd of people in his car*

"The only possible explanation for this is that there must be some vast conspiracy to make nazis look bad."

Who cares about Nazis in America? They are a non-existent political force. Who cares if they are a bunch of douchebags?

They were orchestrated insofar as a bunch of insecure white guys got together with other insecure white guys from all over the country to promote white supremacy.

That's not what led up to this. There were some protests against taking down a statute of confederate general Robert E. Lee. It was mostly white guys carrying torches. There was no violence, and absolutely nobody showed up to counter protest. This greatly bothered the mayor of Charlottesville. The next month, they planned another march. So the mayor of Charlottesville got involved to get left wing counter protesters. As per usual, that's when violence started. The leftist counter protesters attacked the police and 22 of them were arrested. None of the right wingers were arrested. Finally, the pols got involved and got their own moles inserted into the right wing and held a larger Unite the Right rally, had the left wing counter protesters show up, and then told the police to stand down. That's when the violence began--initiated by the left. This was all intentional.

James Fields backed his car up to where some FBI vehicles were parked (why was the FBI there?). We have not been allowed to see the surveillance videos of that area. Fields then drove forward towards the crowd and hit Heather Heyer.

We also know that there was a van blocking that intersection from about 5 minutes before the incident that was shown in Ford Fisher's video and highlighted based on the SMPTE timestamp. So we know the whole the "incident" was a set up.

Left and liberal left organisatons, like Workers World party, DSA, PSL and a bunch of church organisations etc. went to counter-protest the aforementioned white guys, to defend the multi-racial community in Charlottesville.

That's bullshit skinster. There were two peaceful "right wing" demonstrations in the previous two months protesting the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee and nobody was attacked by these so-called right wingers. It was the lack of a counter protest that bothered the mayor of Charlottesville, and that's when they started creating the counter protest and infiltrating the right wing groups with their own actors. To put it succinctly, there was no violence until the left showed up, and the left showed up because the mayor of Charlottesville and the governor of Virginia had their political operators organize the counter demonstration, and got the FBI involved too.

I think the only one claiming to be an FBI informant was this dickhead, who I think everyone ignored.

No. There were FBI vehicles on Fourth street. Every counter argument to the "official story" of this incident was closed down--including on this board. Sonofnewo was directly defamed in a court case, he filed suit and every single one of his videos detailing the events was taken down.

The entire event was clearly a psychological operation to condemn the "right wing" and "populists" that probably went wrong (i.e., Heather Heyer wasn't supposed to die).

So now the anti-fascists are fascists. Right-wing double-speak, as usual.

No. Both sides had actors from the deep state, and the purpose of the op was to try to discredit "populists" supporting Donald Trump.

Defending the indefensible seems to be a right-wing feature, these days.

I haven't heard anybody defending James Fields other than noting that he probably didn't have a mens rea intent to kill Heather Heyer, and that he was obviously mentally ill, so he was not playing with a full deck. I have heard nobody call him a hero.

I wish the deep state supported left wing progressives as much as the dipshits on this forum think they do

They don't. They create their own mobs for political ends. They did this in San Jose, California in 2016 too--having a bunch of people attack Trump supporters while telling the police to stand down.

Rich, hindsite, and blackjack love murder and nazis and will do backflips while sucking their own dicks to find ways to exonerate them.

Nazis are socialists. I am not a socialist; therefore, I am not a Nazi. Regrettably, I am physically unable to suck my own dick, and very envious of dogs in that regard. I also cannot do backflips.

I am simply not going to subscribe to government propaganda and jump to their commands. Had the mayor of Charlottesville and the governor of Virginia not decided to create pressure against the people protesting the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue, none of this would have happened. If you regret Heyer's death and Fields actions, you should also regret the actual circumstances that led to what transpired. I suppose it makes senses for Jews to be afraid of Nazis. However, it does not make sense to create circumstances intentionally leading to violence and death so that you can condemn a political faction and then ask everyone to go along with your condemnation when we know that government officers, a political party and the media played a role in these events.

[SpecialOlympian]

I guess Maz missed this on the previous page. @SocialsitDogMom is a good twitter follow since she covers Rightwing/Nazi court stuff in the area.



Also it's always a good time to post Maz's Hierarchy of Needs, in case anyone was wondering where Maz stands on Nazis (he loves them):

[Red_Army]

Ya that's how murder works. We should be punishing the mom's who birthed murderers, the farmers who grew crops they ate, and the people who built the houses they lived in. The dipshit murdered a woman and it's no ones fault, but his. I'm sure you can't do backflips or suck your dick or even tie your shoes unassisted @blackjack21.

[blackjack21]

The dipshit murdered a woman and it's no ones fault, but his.

Nobody is contending Fields was part of a conspiracy. If you want to begin and end the act with him, that's fine. That's what the law calls for. That's why there is no reason to character assassinate other people who didn't want to see a statue removed for reasons that may have little or nothing to do with Nazism, and who probably never heard of James Fields before he drove his car into a crowd of people.

[One Degree]

Sixteen months after swastika-toting white supremacists swarmed the streets of Charlottesville,

When the OP is a NYT ‘news’ story starting with the above, you know the story and the thread are a waste of time. Nothing except people yelling ‘NAZI’ every other post as if that has any relevance to anything. I suppose they will be frightened of vampires next.
Yes, a murder 1 conviction is a miscarriage of justice based upon what I know, but I wasn’t at the trial.

[SpecialOlympian]

Nobody is contending Fields was part of a conspiracy.

The events in Charlottesville were clearly orchestrated with involvement from politicians, their operatives and the FBI. James Fields is nobody's hero. He's just one more mentally ill person the deep state has used as a sacrificial pawn to push a political agenda. We learned about FBI involvement from at least William Evans (sonofnewo) among others, whose videos detailing inconsistencies with Ford Fisher were cleansed from the internet during his litigation with deep state operatives who clearly lied in their timeline of events to the press.

Why should we care if the deep state got a crazy guy to kill Heather Heyer and then they put him in jail?

[blackjack21]

Yeah, like I'm sure they clued him in...

[maz]

I guess Maz missed this on the previous page. @SocialsitDogMom is a good twitter follow since she covers Rightwing/Nazi court stuff in the area.

You're right. That totally proves that Fields went to Charlottesville to intentionally drive over people standing in the middle of the street. Open and shut case.

[Verv]

They though he was going to give a great speech that redpilled everyone in the courtroom and awakened them to thr true threat to free speech: Antifa.

They thought Charlottesville was going to be their big coming out party but it just made it apparent they are crazy murderers lol. They thought it would make them look respectable but all it did was highlight how right wing ideology draws socially maladjusted psychopaths. This is why he is revered by the right wing: he represents who they truly are.

Actually, they thought that the investigation would be unfair and the court would be a circus meant to simply vilify him as a person and attempt to vilify the alt right as a whole. The Judge presiding over the trial is already viewed highly negatively after what happened with other AR folks like that bald guy whose name I forget.

There are many that are hopeful for a Not Guilty charge because they believe that his vehicle was utterly surrounded & attacked by Antifa (as it was), and that he never actually intended to ram into the crowd. If that were the case, he would have been going faster than 20-some miles per hour.

And, this wouldn't be murder at all, but maybe involuntary manslaughter, as it is impossible to say that he wanted anyone to die when he began driving.

[SpecialOlympian]

There are many that are hopeful for a Not Guilty charge

He has been found guilty on every count and is just waiting for the sentencing phrase of the trial.

Which is cool and good.

[Godstud]

And, this wouldn't be murder at all, but maybe involuntary manslaughter, as it is impossible to say that he wanted anyone to die when he began driving.

That's as stupid as saying someone shooting someone didn't want anyone to die, but was merely trying to wound people. You don't drive your car over people and expect anything but death.

Again... right-wingers defending the indefensible.

They wouldn't go for 1st degree murder if there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove intent.

[Verv]

He has been found guilty on every count and is just waiting for the sentencing phrase of the trial.

Which is cool and good.

I did not see the evidence that they saw. If you have a good article outlining all of the evidence and details, I'd love to read over it.

But judging off of what I know, a first degree murder charge was not warranted at all.

That's as stupid as saying someone shooting someone didn't want anyone to die, but was merely trying to wound people. You don't drive your car over people and expect anything but death.

Again... right-wingers defending the indefensible.

They wouldn't go for 1st degree murder if there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove intent.

This isn't even a response. You did not bring forward any sort of counter to anything that I said but are simply re-asserting your beliefs that he committed premeditated murder. There is zero attempt to prove or establish this in some way here.

But maybe your last line is meaningful.

I guess I'd like to see the evidence.

[Godstud]

At the very least, Fields is guilty of 2nd degree murder. That he chose to use a car to do it, is irrelevant.

@Verv You taking the stance that he never intended to hurt anyone is the one truly deserving of mockery and some evidence. Regardless of how fast he was going, he killed someone. It was not under circumstances where it would have been an accident, either, so I think the evidence leans well away from "accident", which you and other apologists seem to be believing.

[Red_Army]

I think it's appropriate to "character assassinate" people who travel all across country (ies) to protest the decision of a small community's elected leaders to remove a public statue. The movement is obviously about more than that particular statue and anyone who thinks more than a second knows that. You guys all know it, but you are too cowardly to admit it here and instead spend your time trying to justify murder and apologize for neo-nazis. I do think it's funny that the Confederacy's bullshit excuse for the civil war was local autonomy and here are a bunch of confederate LARPers who think there should be some federal mandate protecting public statues

[Verv]

At the very least, Fields is guilty of 2nd degree murder. That he chose to use a car to do it, is irrelevant.

@Verv You taking the stance that he never intended to hurt anyone is the one truly deserving of mockery and some evidence. Regardless of how fast he was going, he killed someone. It was not under circumstances where it would have been an accident, either, so I think the evidence leans well away from "accident", which you and other apologists seem to be believing.

Based on my own reading and the way that I heard it described in an interview with a YouTuber closely following the case on Red Ice, I think this is the likely scenario:

- Fields had no plan for attacking anyone when he showed up. He had no plan for engaging anyone in any way.
- As the aborted rally broke up, there was a lot of chaos happening everywhere. Fields then drives several other men to their vehicles and places where they parked. None of the men who were with him indicated that he demonstrated any intention or any strange behavior while dropping them off.
- Fields is in an unfamiliar city and Antifa are running around the streets; he doesn't know where he is going. He stops and checks his navigation. His vehicle is being attacked.
- He doesn't know how to get out of the area and he feels trapped because he has already been attacked at an intersection; he drives forward at a speed of around 20-25 miles per hour, probably hoping that this would clear people out of the street before him and not wanting to get attacked more. There is footage showing that he hit the breaks during this process, even, and as he was being attacked he put it in reverse and began to fled.

It seems unlikely that the goal was to take people out: he didn't get up to a great speed nor did he continue driving into people, nor did he swerve off of the street into the sidewalk where he could have more brutally crushed people; he stayed on the road.

Here is an article that deals with this angle:
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/eyewitnes ... assaulted/

Did he do the right thing? No. Did he intend to murder people? I don't think so, but I also didn't attend the trial and didn't see all the evidence.

But, I am inclined to believe that if the case against him was so clear cut, we would have heard all of the damning evidence and the trial would have been bigger news.

If this guy was a Dylan Roof, why isn't the evidence and plans and everything so clearly & meticulously laid out?

I think, worst case scenario, he was recklessly driving without care for those who were around him, and perhaps there was some amount of malicious indifference when he began driving forward.

I think it would be Voluntary Manslaughter at worst in the scenario I outlined.

I'd like to see evidence that would say otherwise.

[SpecialOlympian]

None of the men who were with him indicated that he demonstrated any intention or any strange behavior while dropping them off.

A guy cosplaying as a Crusader with a Kekistani flag cape and Hitler mustache: He seemed normal to me.