JohnRawls wrote:Pretty much VS. Intervention is not the only consequences though but it is one of the most severest ones. We live in a liberal rules based order in all Western countries without an exception. So it is a given that we will at the least critize any country that is gonna try to violate that order either internationally or domestically.Without getting in to much detail, are we arrogant for believing that our order of things is superior? No, we are not. We have achieved contingent success in the last 100+ years. Majority of the last 100+ years can be described as countries outside of the liberal order trying to copy our technology, our know-how, etc but not our values and then failing in the end.
Criticism is one thing, heck I don't even have a problem with refusing trade to nations you disagree with, but violence and regime-change is something completely different.
The United States began the post-colonial liberal justification for intervention on the premise of the Domino-Theory; it needed some reason as to why a peaceful, semi-libertarian, and democratic state would want to invade other nations and support coups, etc., the world over. Now, it doesn't even seem to think it needs a justification. I think this is problematic.
Whether or not western values are superior is quite irrelevant; I believe they are, but I think our values are in decline and they are in decline partly because of our statist megalomania of which interventionist neo-colonialism is but a symptom.
Case in point, you bring up how other peoples want to be like us; but I don't think the areas of which they want to be like us are enviable at all; they want cheap prosperity.
Do they really want our feminism, divorce-rates, and welfare dependency? Our degeneracy? Thats shit comes with our current rates of cheap prosperity and safety bankrolled and provided by western nation-states. Crap that would never exist in a state of pure liberty, which is a truly unique western idea.
Liberty.
I don't see how this global order you describe in anywhere close to approximating such a truly western concept and any REAL western values; like Christianity, Patriarchal-Monogamy, Life, Liberty, and Property.
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Rancid wrote:Couple this with the MASSIVE strike in Matamoros.....The Capitalist days are numbered!
Indeed, I can see the proletarian masses now, the day of the International Revolution is now upon us!
Heisenberg wrote:What's wrong with fountain pens? (Having said that, I haven't actually used a fountain pen since I was about 8...)
Are you triggered over a pen?
Its cool, I actually kinda like tweed jackets. My stereotype was more about how non-working class the so-called representatives of the working class appear.
It wasn't a dig against fountain pens per se.
Take heart ol' chap.