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I am just a common sense


No, ''common sense'' is actually not all that common...


American conservative


No. What are you trying to ''conserve''? It certainly isn't the virtuous principles of our early American Republic, where the Founding Fathers, the original Patriots, wanted our nation to be an example, not a ruler and arbiter over the fate of other countries, constantly meddling and intervening. John Adams feared that in going forth in seek of monsters to slay, America would become a monster, attempting to become the ''dictatress of the world'', as he put it.



redneck that knows communism is nothing to dismiss as insignificant.


Take it from the former Socialist; Communism is dead, and really was never alive to begin with. A Bugaboo to frighten small children and simple people.


Yes, it really does.


Name a single truly Communist geopolitical threat out there. There isn't one.

Someone has to fight against tyranny or else we all lose our freedoms.


''Freedom'' is something you fight for yourself. It's not handed to you by the sacrifices and blood of others. Maybe you like the sight of young men with no limbs, or a name on a grave marker; I see them almost every day where I live, but I don't and I hate the evil people who put them into the position of fighting for Oil or Israel. Israel should do fine without our money and our blood, if they are truly a thing willed by God, they should trust in him to be their Defender....



I don't see anything insane about that.


The insane don't know they are insane. Questioning your thoughts and beliefs with the aid of our God-given reason, even doubting them, is a sign of sanity. Listening to others when they possibly might have a more objective viewpoint is sanity.


Praise the Lord.


I'll remind you again that I've asked you in the past not to post that in your conversations with me, and why, and so please respectfully that you not do so.
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annatar1914 wrote:What are you trying to ''conserve''?

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. The Constitution of the United States of America.

annatar1914 wrote:Name a single truly Communist geopolitical threat out there. There isn't one.

Russia and China.

annatar1914 wrote:''Freedom'' is something you fight for yourself.

I spent 20 years in the United States Army.

annatar1914 wrote:The insane don't know they are insane.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

annatar1914 wrote:I'll remind you again that I've asked you in the past not to post that in your conversations with me, and why, and so please respectfully that you not do so.

HalleluYah
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LOL !

State capitalism was the state of the soviet union, and China in the past. China hasnt been an state capitalism anymore since a long time.

Theres still more control over the economy than in the western world, sure. But thats mostly because the western world is rampaged by the ideology that the state shouldnt interfere with the economy. I would however argue thats not even very democratic. Unfortunately China isnt remotely a democracy, not even officially.

But theres billionaires in China now. Its pretty much a regular capitalism now.

The difference of China to other capitalist systems is that as a chinese billionaire, you still have to face justice and you still might get sentenced to death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Han

(Its funny how the guys at Wikipedia choose this picture of the guy. I mean he already looks like a criminal in this image. I doubt that he always looked this mean on all his images)

Good luck finding such a case in the USA or Germany. And no our oligarchs arent nicer than chinese ones. :lol:


And yes of course Russia is an oligarchy ... all capitalist systems are oligarchies. USA, Germany, UK, you name it, its an oligarchy. With plenty of oligarchs. China is an oligarchy since forever anyway, obviously, even before they turned regular capitalist. So why do you bother to mention that part ?

In fact people who can speak russian (east germans) and who have traveled to Russia recently told me theres a much larger variety of media in Russia than in Germany. For example can you buy a newspaper in your country that openly opposes the government ? In Russia you can. Here in Germany, there are websites like that, but regular magazines wont ever.
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@Negotiator
I disagree with most of what you wrote; Let's address the main points in it.

State capitalism was the state of the soviet union,

It wasn't, the soviet union began as state socialism, moved towards market socialism, then at its very end moved towards state capitalism.

China hasn't been state capitalism anymore since a long time.

It still is, note its banking system.

Theres still more control over the economy than in the western world, sure. But that's mostly because the western world is rampaged by the ideology that the state shouldn't interfere with the economy.

The difference between state capitalism and regular capitalism is the source and overall ownership of capital.
Under state capitalism, the source of all capital is the state (through the banking system) and the end term of all capital is the state; You might hold a billion dollars under a state capitalist system, you might enjoy all the luxuries a billion dollars provide as well, you, however, don't own that billion dollars and the state can easily reclaim it from you at any time, as seen many times in China.
Under a capitalist system, capital is owned by capitalists, and the role of the state is minimal in terms of macro-economic decision making and goal setting.

all capitalist systems are oligarchies.

Again, false.
Capitalism is a spectrum of systems, and under it, you can have social democracies like some countries in Europe and oligarchies, indeed like the US and Russia.
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Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. The Constitution of the United States of America.


Can't be. Not with your position of intervention in the affairs of all other nations, it renders what you just said to be hypocritical and senseless.


Russia and China.


:eh:

Sorry to say but that's one of the most ignorant things I have heard in a long long time. I've been to Russia, have a Russian family. Russia is Capitalist in the extreme, and has been since 1991, since Russia was reborn from the ruins of the Soviet Union. Even to think of Russia today as being ''Communist'' now borders on the obscenely stupid, suggesting a serious disconnect from the world and awareness of recent history. I assure you that the government of Russia is desperately Anti-Communist, and most people in Russia who have any means are Anti-Communist as well, you'll not find more Anti-Communist and people than they are, although they are proud of the fight against Fascism in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.

China has basically been a Nationalistic and State Capitalistic society since 1989, after the Tianammen Square massacre. It too is not really ''Communist'' in any way except the name. In fact if you were to place it politically on a political spectrum, it would be described as Fascist/Authoritarian Capitalist.


I spent 20 years in the United States Army.


All the more reason to see our boys defending this country instead of fighting other people's battles.

Don't be so hard on yourself.


You're being defensive, but i'll repeat what I said earlier;

''The insane don't know they are insane. Questioning your thoughts and beliefs with the aid of our God-given reason, even doubting them, is a sign of sanity. Listening to others when they possibly might have a more objective viewpoint is sanity.''

If you can't do this, and just mindlessly repeat these statements in your conversations with others, then you're not having a real conversation with other people. And that's pretty sad because doing so would enrich your life in a number of ways even if you never agree with most of the people here.


HalleluYah


See, what you're doing is wrong. You are basically trying to order people to praise God in communion with you, which many if not all here cannot do. I do praise God, and I love God with all my soul and my heart, but I do not believe as you do or worship as you do, nor can or will I. So you insult me by insisting on doing this ''HalleluYah'' or ''Praise the Lord'' thing, and I believe that you insult God too, because;

How many people here become more hardened against God and against Christians by your complete identification of God's Will and your own personal political and spiritual beliefs? Have you ever asked yourself that question? Maybe you should.
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Hindsite wrote:Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. The Constitution of the United States of America.

Its worthless garbage. Take the Transatlantic slavery. The constitution took the position that the Transatlantic slave trade was one of the most precious things in our culture. It took the position that banning it before 1808 was wicked evil and immoral. The liberty to trade slaves across the Atlantic was one of the most precious and vital liberties of American citizens. But of this is so, the constitution does not explain why it wouldn't be wicked and immoral to ban the Transatlantic slave trade after 1808.

The hypocritical tossers that created the American Constitution should be held in contempt for all time, along with all those who continue to see it as some text of wisdom.
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Rich wrote:Its worthless garbage. Take the Transatlantic slavery. The constitution took the position that the Transatlantic slave trade was one of the most precious things in our culture. It took the position that banning it before 1808 was wicked evil and immoral. The liberty to trade slaves across the Atlantic was one of the most precious and vital liberties of American citizens. But of this is so, the constitution does not explain why it wouldn't be wicked and immoral to ban the Transatlantic slave trade after 1808.

The hypocritical tossers that created the American Constitution should be held in contempt for all time, along with all those who continue to see it as some text of wisdom.

The Constitution of the United States of America did not need to say anything about that because it was establishing a new government. There is nothing in the Constitution that can be proved to be wicked, evil, and immoral to this day. The people had the Holy Bible to guide them on moral things. We can all blame evil and immoral men elected to Congress for the laws they make or don't make just as it is today.
Praise the Lord.
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Hindsite wrote:The Constitution of the United States of America did not need to say anything about that because it was establishing a new government.

But it did say something. Protecting the slave trade to 1808 was part of the Constitution. If engaging in the transatlantic slave trade was a fundamental God given inalienable right of US citizens then why did that right cease in 1808? If engaging in the transatlantic slave trade was not a fundamental God given inalienable right of US citizens then why in God's name was it in the constitution at all?
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Rich wrote:But it did say something. Protecting the slave trade to 1808 was part of the Constitution. If engaging in the transatlantic slave trade was a fundamental God given inalienable right of US citizens then why did that right cease in 1808? If engaging in the transatlantic slave trade was not a fundamental God given inalienable right of US citizens then why in God's name was it in the constitution at all?

No it did not. Slave trade was not a God given right under the Constitution. It was never in the Constitution.
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I think the discussion is going horribly off topic. I will talk about the evil country called China elsewhere.

What Israel do is essentially what Nazis claim to be "gaining Lebensraum". Objectively this is needed if you are surrounded by a bunch of hostile groups of people.

Of course, the more they assert it in a violent way, the more likely they will be annihilated when it cannot continue. THIS is why peace is after all necessary.
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skinster wrote:https://www.facebook.com/hadi.nasrallah.77/posts/10157399217074905


Syria attacked Israel and lost the Golan.
Even your beloved UN stated that Lebanon has no further claims of territory.
Of course, every excuse is valid to remain an enemy of the Jewish Home State.

Who is this Hadi Nasrallah anyway ?
Family of the Head terrorist of Hezbollah ? :excited:
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anasawad wrote:Russia is a capitalist oligarchy and China's system is state capitalism.

Socialism and communism can't survive without capitalism to increase wealth, since both communism and socialism deplete wealth of a country. That is why China had to allow capitalism into their mainly communist form of government. The same is true of the USSR when it collapsed.
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I'm a great believer in land for peace.

If the Israelis are serious about achieving lasting piece on the Golan, then they must occupy a similarly sized buffer zone inside rSyria, which they would only give back when the Syrian government recognises Israeli sovereignty over the Golan. However I disagree completely with the withdrawal from South Lebanon. this was a betrayal of the good Christians of the South Lebanon Republic. But that shameful act wasn't even worry of the designation as a sell out. It wasn't land for peace. It was land for nothing.
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Rich wrote:I'm a great believer in land for peace.

If the Israelis are serious about achieving lasting piece on the Golan, then they must occupy a similarly sized buffer zone inside rSyria, which they would only give back when the Syrian government recognises Israeli sovereignty over the Golan. However I disagree completely with the withdrawal from South Lebanon. this was a betrayal of the good Christians of the South Lebanon Republic. But that shameful act wasn't even worry of the designation as a sell out. It wasn't land for peace. It was land for nothing.


none remember that from 1948 to 1967 there wasnt and discussion about land for peace becasue the Arabs were sure they are going to destroy Israel within a short time

they got humiliated in 1967 after that all the discussion about "land for peace" have started
I say no to a "Palestinian" state, no to 67 borders and no more "land for peace"
we dont really need any "peace" we will just force it on our enemies
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