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#14998059
Zionist Nationalist wrote:none remember that from 1948 to 1967 there wasnt and discussion about land for peace becasue the Arabs were sure they are going to destroy Israel within a short time

they got humiliated in 1967 after that all the discussion about "land for peace" have started
I say no to a "Palestinian" state, no to 67 borders and no more "land for peace"
we dont really need any "peace" we will just force it on our enemies

Now you can talk like that, but there's a problem you won't be able to handle even if you're willing to go full Fascist.

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The clock is ticking against you. It actually ticks on a demographic bomb right under your arses and it ticks against you in the US and the world as well.
#14998062
Israel will have to give away some parts of the west bank (Probably to Jordan)
I dont see any scenario where a Palestinian state is going to be established the most likely one is that they will form a confederation with Jordan or will be annexed into Jordan this way we wont be responsible for them anymore
Egypt will annex Gaza
Israel will annex the big settlements and thats it
and Golan heights staying within Israel

I want to state that Israel is not really interested in full scale peace because we dont want to open our borders with the neighbors around
a cold peace like we have with Egypt and Jordan is best
#14998065
Also the west is going to go though a major turmoil in the coming years thanks to the liberal policy of accepting all kind of shitheads from around the world ("refugees")
maybe we can use this to for our advantage to straighten our position once the world will be too messed up to care about the middle east issues
similar thing is happening today but on a smaller scale
#14998066
Zionist Nationalist wrote:Also the west is going to go though a major turmoil in the coming years thanks to the liberal policy of accepting all kind of shitheads from around the world ("refugees")
maybe we can use this to for our advantage to straighten our position once the world will be too messed up to care about the middle east issues
similar thing is happening today but on a smaller scale

Sure, or maybe there'll be a regime change in Saudi Arabia and they turn against you. Egypt was really close to that, so it may be just a matter of time too.

Israel's like a casino established and run by a mafia and doomed to get liquidated sooner or later. Trump has a great history with casinos and bankruptcy, Bibi's alliance with him should be an omen. You should start reconciling with the Arabs as long as you can do it from the position of power and before it's too late.
#14998067
Egypt was really close to that,

Thanks to Obama

Israel's like a casino established and run by a mafia and doomed to get liquidated sooner or later. Trump has a great history with casinos and bankruptcy, Bibi's alliance with him should be an omen. You should start reconciling with the Arabs as long as you can do it from the position of power and before it's too late.


Israel already tried reconciliating with them it didnt worked very well
You dont understand the logic of the middle east
reconciliation is a weakness they perceive every step back as a victory just look how they celebrate their "victories" in Lebanon 2006 Gaza 2014 they are not the kind of guys who can be simply put down to the negotiation table
Hezbollah not interested in peace because once there will be peace they will lose all of their power
Iran is a fundamentalist fascist entity that will not rest until Israel is destroyed or their regime is finally toppled
Syria is in a limbo they are the bitch of Russia and Iran and will do whatever they told them and peace with them is impossible as I stated already
#14998068
Zionist Nationalist wrote:Thanks to Obama

If Obama was so bad for you, prepare for even worse.

Zionist Nationalist wrote:You dont understand the logic of the middle east

I actually do, so I wouldn't think you have much chance even if you tried what I suggested.
#14998071
If Obama was so bad for you, prepare for even worse.


I know if AOC is the future of the democrat party than we are fucked
we have to be prepared to depart from uncle sam unless US will solve its internal issues and will drop off the liberal PC bullshit attitude

I actually do, so I wouldn't think you have much chance even if you tried what I suggested.


its funny that someone from EU is saying that.
Western Europe is doomed the demographic damage that was already done is too great and the liberal open border policy will slowly but surely will kill Europe as we know it
#14998072
Zionist Nationalist wrote:I know if AOC is the future of the democrat party than we are fucked
we have to be prepared to depart from uncle sam unless US will solve its internal issues and will drop off the liberal PC bullshit attitude

It's all about demographics and relative decline in the case of the US too. Europe should prepare for coping without the US, however, they are not so essential for us as they are for you.

Zionist Nationalist wrote:its funny that someone from EU is saying that.
Western Europe is doomed the demographic damage that was already done is too great and the liberal open border attitude will slowly but surely will kill Europe as we know it

Europe is different from what it was a century or centuries ago and it won't be the same as it is a century or centuries later, so what? Europeans won't have to leave Europe and return to where they came from. You're not like Europe, you're like South Africa.
#14998084
Beren wrote:Europe is different from what it was a century or centuries ago and it won't be the same as it is a century or centuries later, so what? Europeans won't have to leave Europe and return to where they came from. You're not like Europe, you're like South Africa.


So you are ready for the day when your children will re a minority within their own country?
I think you are naive or just dont understand the severity of this situation
The folks that you are bringing in arent going to adopt your liberal lifestyle they will force you to adopt their lifestyle
and your children will be persecuted in their own homeland
this is already happening in neighbors where they are the majority


Watch this and think about it its not that far fetched as you may think
#14998090
Zionist Nationalist wrote:So you are ready for the day when your children will re a minority within their own country?

I'm neither a right-winger nor a Conservative, so I am a minority in my country and my children will be too, if they grow up here. I don't think I will see Islam replace the good old Hungarian establishment. Muslim rule will only happen if they convert to Islam too, but I won't live to see that either. :lol:
#14998093
Beren wrote:I'm neither a right-winger nor a Conservative, so I am a minority in my country and my children will be too, if they grow up here. I don't think I will see Islam replace the good old Hungarian establishment. Muslim rule will only happen if they convert to Islam too, but I won't live to see that either. :lol:


Its not about right or left wing politics
its about ethnicity religion and nationality those things are important

Hungary will be fine the countries that will fall are France,Germany,Belgium and possibly UK
#14998098
Zionist Nationalist wrote:Its not about right or left wing politics
its about ethnicity religion and nationality those things are important

Hungary will be fine the countries that will fall are France,Germany,Belgium and possibly UK

Hungary will be fine because nobody wants to immigrate here, so that is the recipe. :lol:

I wonder if what you mean to suggest as a solution, but I don't think implementing Fascism and erecting fences could do anything about problems that are actually global and caused by the West itself too. I also have to add that the world keeps changing anyway.
#14998108
Zionist Nationalist wrote:Dont give them any rights.
No healthcare no education zero basic services
make them feel unwelcomed and they wouldnt come

more tight border controls send back the boats or sink them

And what if they come to work here and we need them?

Also, how come that every single conversation about Israel turns into a debate on Europe? :lol:
#14998111
Beren wrote:And what if they come to work here and we need them?


We also have alot of foreign workers here mostly form Asia but we dont give them citizenship
even if they stay here for 10+ years

they eventually coming back to where they came from because they know they that they can receive citizenship only under strict conditions

Also, how come that every single conversation about Israel turns into a debate on Europe?


because you Europeans have issues that most of you refuse to see and than you act hypocritically claiming that Israel is bad
becuse its treating poorly palestinians and all kind of shit
you should do the same to save yourselves the problem is that Europe is still traumatized from WW2
#14998113
Zionist Nationalist wrote:you should do the same to save yourselves you the problem is that Europe is still traumatized from WW2

Sure, you suggest Israelisation is the only viable solution like Israel's so great. As to being traumatised by WW2, look who's talking! :lol:

In my opinion the West is in the final stage like the Roman Empire was and Europe will be part of Eurasia anyway, Brexit also helps that. Since it happens anyway, it should happen rather peacefully. Israelisation is self-destruction, as an Israeli you'll definitely see that.
#14998114
In my opinion the West is in the final stage like the Roman Empire was and Europe will be part of Eurasia anyway, Brexit also helps that. Since it happens anyway, it should happen rather peacefully. Israelisation is self-destruction, as an Israeli you'll definitely see that.


Eurasia? More like Afroasia
checkout the future African demographic growth
and guess where will they wanna go once shit hits the fan and there arent enough resources for everyone?

Im not saying that you should be completely like Israel. we just have some very effective policies that prevent us from being flooded like you by "refugees"

Sure, you suggest Israelisation is the only viable solution like Israel's so great. As to being traumatised by WW2, look who's talking!


Well you got a point there Israel is also traumatized from the holocaust but Israel took it in the other direction
Europeans chose to became treehuggers Israel is more like Sparta
#14998115
Zionist Nationalist wrote:Europeans chose to became treehuggers Israel is more like Sparta

Europeans ruled the world once and Europeanised it as much as they could, but the world still hits back. It hits back at America as well. And as the West declines Israel's fate is sealed too. And even Sparta fell when the time had come. I wonder if the West will have another shot.
#14998116
The only one who can replace the west is China and once thiss happens everybody will miss the US world order because china will shit on everyone without apologizing

I dont think Israels fate is sealed
The Arab influence will decline once the oil deplets Iran will most likely will have a secular regime sooner or later
but Israel will find itself alone at some point. its also likely that we will become a bitch of China but thats better than being taken over by Arabs
#14998122
Zionist Nationalist wrote:everybody will miss the US world order

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I also wonder how the US world order would be if it could go on. The US president praises Kim Jong-un and seems like a big fan of authoritarianism. From that point of view the West has already lost. Hellenistic Empire, Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, British Empire, American Empire, and that's it. The US will merge with Latin America, Europe with Asia, and Japan will find its Asian roots. New World Order.

Zionist Nationalist wrote:its also likely that we will become a bitch of China but thats better than being taken over by Arabs

I'd rather bet you'll simply have to go when the West retreats or collapses. China and Russia are allied with Iran and Turkey, so I wouldn't have illusions about China.
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