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#15081035
Donna wrote:I heard if you defend China online they let you stay at Four Seasons for free.


Doesn't sound sustainable.

Meanwhile, an early case of COVID-19 had been to Four Seasons so I think it is not as appealing as it used to be.
#15081086
skinster wrote:Glad to know I'll be welcomed in China by the CCP. I hope there is a red carpet for me when it happens. Red is our colour after all. Long live the CCP!



Sure. Right up to the point until some corrupt policeman needs a fallguy to cover some illegal activity the policeman is involved with. Then he takes your phone, puts whatever evidence on it he likes and you take the fall. That’s the problem with communism. No accountability.
#15081102
skinster wrote:Thanks for sharing your fantasies. Probably best to place them in TLTE. :up:



Dear oh dear. Skinster, you are so trusting.

That will make you a prefect fallguy for the corrupt commie cop. Then you will join the rest of us pofo denizens, locked away for the jail surgeon to search through fruitlessly in his quest for healthy organs to sell on the black market.

That is how it will end for us when the CCP takes over the world.
#15085379
Update!

Police in Hong Kong Arrest 14 Activists Amid Autonomy Warnings

China office says that city’s right to self-rule is ‘authorised by the central government’

Hong Kong police have arrested 14 high-profile democracy activists on charges of illegal assembly.

The arrests took place just hours after China’s top representative office in the semi-autonomous city declared it is not bound by Hong Kong’s constitutional restrictions that bar Chinese government from interfering in local affairs.

Police arrested prominent figures, including media tycoon Jimmy Lai and 81-year-old Martin Lee, founder of the Democratic party and a senior barrister, in the biggest crackdown on the pro-democracy movement since the sometimes violent anti-government protests that have rocked the former British colony since June last year.

The 14 people arrested allegedly organised and took part in unlawful assemblies and police do not rule out that more will be arrested, Supt Lam Wing-Ho warned.

Also among those arrested were barrister Margaret Ng, lawyer Albert Ho, labour rights activist Lee Cheuk-yan, former legislators Leung Kwok-hung and Au Nok-hin, as well as younger activists such as Figo Chan, the vice-convener of the Civil Human Rights Front, which organised several mass protests approved by police last year.

The 14 were accused of joining three unapproved protests on 18 August, 1 October and 20 October last year, local media reported.

Pro-democracy lawmakers say the arrests are an attempt to silence the pro-democracy camp after Chinese officials told Hong Kong to enact national security legislation. Claudia Mo said Beijing is also trying to ”terrorise Hong Kong opposition” ahead of the legislative council election in September.

The veteran China watcher, Johnny Lau, said Beijing is trying to hit hard at Hong Kong while the world is busy fighting against Covid-19.

“In Xi Jinping’s eyes this is an opportunity to shuffle the cards and to assert its narrative,” he said. “If the foreign countries turn a blind eye and fail to rein in [China’s power], they would also suffer.”

The arrests came just hours after China’s liaison office asserted in a strongly-worded statement that it and the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office (HKMAO) – China’s top bodies overseeing the city’s affairs – are “authorised by the central authorities to handle Hong Kong affairs.” Earlier this week, the office’s chief, Luo Huining, called for controversial national security laws to be urgently passed, amid escalating accusations of overreach by Beijing into the city’s legislative council and judiciary.

Hong Kong was promised a “high degree of autonomy” for at least 50 years after China resumed control in 1997, under the Sino-British joint declaration. The city’s post-handover mini-constitution, the Basic Law, bars the mainland Chinese government from interfering in Hong Kong affairs, and article 22 states that no department under the Chinese central and local governments “may interfere in the affairs which the Hong Kong special administrative region administers on its own in accordance with this law.”

But the liaison office statement, published late on Friday, asserts that “a high degree of autonomy is not complete autonomy.” It stresses that Hong Kong’s right to self-rule is “authorised by the central government.”

The statement argues that the liaison office and the HKMAO “are not what is referred to in article 22 of the Basic Law, or what is commonly understood to be ‘departments under the central people’s government’.” It adds that the offices derive their authority both from China’s constitution and the Basic Law.

This week, pro-democracy lawmakers accused the Chinese government of “blatant intervention” and violation of article 22 of the Basic Law after the HKMAO said some lawmakers were guilty of misconduct in public office for delaying bills, failing to appoint a House committee chairman and paralysing the legislature by filibustering.

The liaison office statement said people who made such allegations were distorting the Basic Law and misleading public opinion, adding that “loyalty to the country is a necessary requirement” for lawmakers.

China law expert Prof Jerome Cohen at the New York University descibed China’s statement is “astounding and incendiary”.

“If taken seriously, it collapses the whole one country, two systems edifice that was constructed over so many years since the joint declaration,” he said.

Prof Michael Davis, a global fellow at the Wilson Center and former law professor at the University of Hong Kong, said China’s aggressive language would “result in further pushback” from Hong Kong society, which has already experienced its most severe political crisis,

“The danger is that Hong Kong’s autonomy will be squandered and this has implications for all countries that have relied on the promises made to Hong Kong,” he said. “This fear that Hong Kong’s autonomy will be lost, along with it the rule of law, is what has driven the many protests in Hong Kong and international concern.”

Alvin Cheung, a legal scholar specialising in Hong Kong issues at New York University, said: “[The fact that] Beijing is not even pretending to keep up appearances heralds a dark new stage in Hong Kong’s post-1997 development … It suggests repression will intensify further.”

The Guardian



How does this look like? Think of it like Donald Trump orders arrest of Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, or even member @late if he is prominent enough. These people's age match some of those arrested today.

P.S. I mention member @late because I believe very much that many of those being arrested today share ideology with him. Since over a decade ago, I have been convinced that violence cannot be avoided because we are facing this literally worse year by year. I hope he understands that my fellow Hongkongers and I have been in a situation that makes me see change very differently from what he believes (or what Obama arguably has done).
#15085382
Back on the 1st of March I flew into Hong Kong from the US on my way back to Guangzhou. Originally my flight was supposed to connect with one straight to GZ, but that had been cancelled a long time ago. My girlfriend arranged for her uncle to drive down to the Shenzhen border to pick us up instead. We had to taxi it to the border and it was surprising and yet not surprising how quiet the city largely seemed. I kept thinking it’s kind of funny how Hong Kong Disneyland has been closed for a year due to protests, and now it’ll stay closed even longer due to the Wuhan virus.

In any event, the protests were doomed to utter failure.
#15085387
Bulaba Jones wrote:In any event, the protests were doomed to utter failure.


This is obviously true if China doesn't fall.

Historically this happens several times, for example the Kingdom of Shu Han (in resistance of Wei Dynasty) 1800 years ago, and the final resistance of the Song-loyal forces against the Mongols about 750 years ago. However, the spirit of these resistances pass down to the present day.
#15085395
Zionist Nationalist wrote:



Deng did not understand that with his country having such size and population, it is inevitable to have imperialism of some sort.

Besides, he seemed to have overestimated his people's integrity. He said the Chinese people would join to defeat the imperialism. In reality, they welcome it because many of them benefit from it! Just look at how many "50-cent-trolls", "blue-ribbon-trolls" (Hongkongers who support the totalitarian violent police and government), and all those pro-China human scums on the internet (including PoFo)!

And of course, he cracked down the Tiananmen Protests in 1989 himself.

EDIT: As he initiated the one-child policy, maybe he was aware of my first point and tried to do something on it. Unfortunately this also led to some adverse effect, even though it's only ever half-implemented.
#15085467
An Australian University is trying to discipline an activist student for his views in support of HK protestors. He hasn’t broken any laws.

There seems to be two standards, one standard where anyone opposing CCP power is punished by extra-legal rules, and another standard where anyone supporting CCP policy is above the law. Those mainland students who physically assaulted Drew and HK students last did break the law.

Why aren’t they facing charges? Are Australian universities subject to national laws or Beijing laws?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/16/university-of-queensland-takes-disciplinary-action-against-pro-hong-kong-student-activist



University of Queensland takes disciplinary action against pro-Hong Kong student activist


Drew Pavlou to face a hearing over a series of satirical stunts, social media posts and criticisms of the vice-chancellor


The University of Queensland has taken disciplinary action against a prominent pro-Hong Kong student activist, who faces expulsion in relation to a series of satirical stunts, social media posts and criticisms of the vice-chancellor.

Drew Pavlou, a member of the UQ senate, was this week sent a series of misconduct allegations against him and told to attend a disciplinary board hearing, where a decision maker would have the ability to terminate his enrolment.

Pavlou said the claims he breached university policies mainly related to his activism. They include satirical social media posts, opposition to the university’s contract with the Confucius Institute, and comments critical of the vice-chancellor, Peter Høj.

Guardian Australia has reviewed a summary of the “misconduct” charges, which include claims his conduct was inappropriate and abusive, and that he damaged the reputation of the university. None suggest he has acted unlawfully.


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Last year, after helping to organise a protest in support of the Hong Kong independence movement, Pavlou was assaulted in the university grounds by a group of pro-China protesters who gatecrashed the event.

Pavlou subsequently sought a court order, similar to a restraining order, against the Chinese consul general in Brisbane, Xu Jie, who he claims endangered him by praising the “self-motivated patriotic behaviour” of the counter-protesters and, in effect, accusing Pavlou of “anti-China separatist activities”. That case is ongoing.

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Xu is an adjunct professor at the university.

The university has a long history of fostering activists, including many of those who protested against the 1971 Springbok tour, and others who would become prominent political figures in Queensland.

In a statement on Pavlou, UQ said: “Universities reasonably expect that students comply with conduct policies and charters that reflect both the organisation’s values and community expectations.

“UQ’s disciplinary processes seek to address alleged contraventions of university policy – they do not seek to prevent students from expressing their views or to limit their right to freedom of speech.

“It would not be appropriate for the university to comment on the specifics of this disciplinary matter. However, the university rejects Mr Pavlou’s statement that the university’s process is an attempt to penalise him for airing his political beliefs.”



There are calls for action against the UQ administration.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/04/university-of-queensland-persecutes-chinese-bullied-student/


No amount of fees are worth the cost of selling-out Australia’s independence and democratic freedoms.

The Morrison Government should intervene. It could threaten withdrawal of funding until the university can prove it has expunged this corruption.

UQ is radically out of step with community, national and pedagogical values and must be brought into line.
#15085468
foxdemon wrote:An Australian University is trying to discipline an activist student for his views in support of HK protestors. He hasn’t broken any laws.

There seems to be two standards, one standard where anyone opposing CCP power is punished by extra-legal rules, and another standard where anyone supporting CCP policy is above the law. Those mainland students who physically assaulted Drew and HK students last did break the law.

Why aren’t they facing charges? Are Australian universities subject to national laws or Beijing laws?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/16/university-of-queensland-takes-disciplinary-action-against-pro-hong-kong-student-activist






There are calls for action against the UQ administration.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/04/university-of-queensland-persecutes-chinese-bullied-student/




Sounds like the CCP gives that university lots and lots of money.
#15090665
How is HK doing nowadays? I heard that there is a crackdown right now and a semi protest of some sort?

Also a reminder for the pro-totalitarians.

Imperealist UK:



Benevolent China:

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