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Independent wrote:Theresa May has condemned Donald Trump’s racist attack on female Democrat congresswomen, calling the US president’s remarks ”completely unacceptable”.

Mr Trump prompted fury after suggesting that the unnamed politicians should “go back” to the “broken and crime infested places from which they came”.

He did not specify who he was referring to, but the attack was widely interpreted as being aimed at congresswomen of colour including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley, who have all been critical of Mr Trump’s immigration policies in recent days.

Asked about Ms May’s views on the comments, her official spokesman said: “The prime minister’s view is that the language used to refer to these women was completely unacceptable.”


Also more information on why the UK's ambassador to the US called thew Trump administration "inept"

Independent wrote:Donald Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal to spite his predecessor Barack Obama, the UK’s former ambassador reportedly said in a new leaked diplomatic memo.

Sir Kim Darroch claimed the US president’s actions amounted to “diplomatic vandalism” and were fuelled by “personality” reasons, according to a document seen by The Mail on Sunday.

The ambassador’s comments are said to have been made in May 2018 after then-foreign secretary Boris Johnson made a failed trip to the White House in a bid to change Mr Trump’s mind on leaving the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

The revelation came as police identified a suspect behind the leak, according to The Sunday Times.
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I watched Trumps speech where he spoke about this group of 4 congresswomen. Can’t say I found it particularly offensive.

He goes on about one of the congresswomen talking about Al Qaeda as though she supported them, I cant imagine that being true :hmm: If anyone has any specific footage for viewing to the contrary though, post it.

Edit - oh, and what business that is of Britain’s, who knows?
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Ness31 wrote:thats a bit of a childish view don’t you think? It’s like saying friends can’t have different opinions on important issues :hmm:
Trump's comments are childish. World leaders are expected to act like world leaders and not little spoiled children, a la Trump.

Ness31 wrote:Britain should just worry about its domestic politics before it mouths off at the US.
:roll: US needs to remember it doesn't exist in a vacuum. What world leaders say, matters.
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Nobody truly thinks his comments were racist. Honestly, nobody really thinks that. People who SAY they think the tweets were/are racist are liars and they are lying to virtue signal. They refuse, REFUSE to look at the merits of his point of view and instead they shift the focus to "omg, someone hurt our feelings!". As far as the UK? The UK is a failed society - a failed government and the only hope for true liberty of the people of the UK is revolution.
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Trump's comments are childish. World leaders are expected to act like world leaders and not little spoiled children, a la Trump.


You got me thinking Godstud. I did a google search of famous Churchill quotes when he was a world leader. Holy moly, you’d be shocked and appalled by some of the stuff he said :lol:


:roll: US needs to remember it doesn't exist in a vacuum. What world leaders say, matters.


Of course they do (words mattering, I mean) And at least we know what he’s thinking. Unlike other, less than transparent world leaders who seem benign and are anything but.
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Traveller wrote:Nobody truly thinks his comments were racist. Honestly, nobody really thinks that. People who SAY they think the tweets were/are racist are liars and they are lying to virtue signal. They refuse, REFUSE to look at the merits of his point of view and instead they shift the focus to "omg, someone hurt our feelings!". As far as the UK? The UK is a failed society - a failed government and the only hope for true liberty of the people of the UK is revolution.


What are the merits of telling people of colour to go back where they came from?

And yes, it is obviously racist.
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When has that human shit stain Ilhan Omar ever said anything positive about this country?

Trump was right, she does need to go back to where she fucking came from. Ever been to Mogadishu? I have. The undeniable FACT is that it IS a third world, mud hut, shithole country. If it ceased to exist tomorrow the world would be an infinitely better place.

That's not racist, that's the truth...
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Godstud wrote:UK is, supposedly, one of USA's biggest allies. What they think is very important. Trump's administration is undermining that alliance with shoddy diplomacy, and reactionary stupidity.


Britain's opinion means dick. They need us more than we will ever need them, and they know it...
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Pants-of-dog wrote:This is clearly a re-election ploy for Trump.

He is hoping that his overt displays of racism will cement support from his base.


Indeed, the only political weapon Trump has in his arsenal is blatant racism.

Telling political actors to "shut up and go back where they came from" is a blatant attempt to remove the right of free-speech from American citizens and thus discriminate them from the rest due to their ethnic-origins.

UNHR 1969 wrote:PART I

Article 1

1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
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noemon wrote:Indeed, the only political weapon Trump has in his arsenal is blatant racism.

Telling political actors to "shut up and go back where they came from" is a blatant attempt to remove the right of free-speech..


Trump is exercising HIS right of free speech (he still has that, you know). Why do you take such a hypocrtitical stance?

Telling someone they should shut the fuck up isn't an "attempt to remove the right of free speech". It's just telling them that they should shut the fuck up...
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BigSteve wrote:Trump is exercising HIS right of free speech (he still has that, you know). Why do you take such a hypocrtitical stance?

Telling someone they should shut the fuck up isn't an "attempt to remove the right of free speech". It's just telling them that they should shut the fuck up...


Telling someone to "shut the fuck up" is not racist just rude. Telling them to shut up because they are foreigners who should go back where they came from is the very definition of racism. Trump could have said the same thing without being racist but he chose to be racist because well racism seems to be the only thing he has got going on for himself. This coming from the White House President is as shameful as it gets. Calling it racist according to the definition of the UNHR that the US is a signatory to is exercising my right to free speech at this moment and not hypocritical at all. Trump is trying to remove the right of free speech from American citizens based on their ethnic-origin and is trying to rally his supporters towards that goal.
People's liberty to swing their fists ends where other people's noses begin.
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noemon wrote:Telling someone to "shut the fuck up" is not racist just rude. Telling them to shut up because they are foreigners who should go back where they came from is the very definition of racism.


No, it's not...

Trump could have said the same thing without being racist but he chose to be racist...


Pray tell, how?

because well racism seems to be the only thing he has got going on for himself.


You mean that's all his detractors can whine about.

You guys have screamed "racist" so fucking much that you've diminished it. It's meaningless now, and that's bad, because racism is bad. But you never-Trumpers have made it your mantra and have used it to the point where its impact is diluted and weak.

Trump is trying to remove the right of free speech from American citizens based on their ethnic-origin and is trying to rally his supporters towards that goal.


Hey, I was wishing that Omar would shut the fuck up long before Trump said it.

But, again, he's not trying to remove their free speech. How has he done that? Does he not have that same right?

People's liberty to swing their fists ends where other people's noses begin.


A person's right to swing his fist should not be impeded by some idiot one being stupid enough to stand too close...
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BigSteve wrote:No, it's not...
Pray tell, how?
You mean that's all his detractors can whine about.
You guys have screamed "racist" so fucking much that you've diminished it. It's meaningless now, and that's bad, because racism is bad. But you never-Trumpers have made it your mantra and have used it to the point where its impact is diluted and weak. But, again, he's not trying to remove their free speech. How has he done that? Does he not have that same right?


Racism is not meaningless, it is a well defined concept that has already been provided to you.

noemon wrote:
Telling political actors to "shut up and go back where they came from" is a blatant attempt to remove the right of free-speech from American citizens and thus discriminate them from the rest due to their ethnic-origins.


UNHR 1969 wrote:PART I

Article 1

1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.


A person's right to swing his fist should not be impeded by some idiot one being stupid enough to stand too close...


In this case you mean American congresswomen being present in the US congress and doing the jobs they got elected for? And not fucking off to the countries of their ethnic-origins? Shameless.
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noemon wrote:Racism is not meaningless, it is a well defined concept that has already been provided to you.


It is, because you and your ilk have rendered it so.

Nice work.

Telling someone to shut the fuck up is not, will never be, and has never been "racist"...

noemon wrote:

Telling political actors to "shut up and go back where they came from" is a blatant attempt to remove the right of free-speech from American citizens and thus discriminate them from the rest due to their ethnic-origins.


Simply saying something doesn't make it true.

I do, though, think it's cute that you quote yourself in your replies...

Shameless


What's shameless is your rather blatant willingness to deny the President the RIGHT to exercise his 1st Amendment rights simply because you disagree with him.

I'm rather certain, however, that your hatred of Trump precludes you from recognizing your hypocrisy...
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Trump, of course, will neither admit to racism nor stop being racist.

This strategy helped get him elected in 2016*, and he is probably counting on it working again.

This is why he is doubling down on the racism now.

* https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 19.1580543 and
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... polq.12737
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Trump, of course, will neither admit to racism nor stop being racist.


And his idiot detractors will never admit that they have nothing else of value to offer aside from their ignorant belief that Trump is a racist, nor will they stop being stupid...

This strategy helped get him elected in 2016*, and he is probably counting on it working again.


Trump got elected because the American people were sick and fucking tired of Democrats trying to turn us into a cesspool. Obama set that train in motion and Hillary only promised to continue his policies (she had none of her own, after all).

Trump's going to get elected again, first and foremost, because of the economy and, really, because of the overall state of our country. We re in much better shape than we were when the boy king left his throne...

This is why he is doubling down on the racism now.

*https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00380253.2019.1580543 and
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... polq.12737


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