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Atlantis wrote:I don't even know where to start untangling the mess in your thinking.

Neocon policies had nothing to do with "romanticism". They had nothing to do with "popularist moralism" or with "social democracy". And then you throw in "Hitler" for good measure. All of this gets tangled in your mind like Polish nationalists fabricate a straw man by putting "driving a bicycle," "eating vegetarian", "civil rights for gays", etc., all in one basket.

The neocons used "human rights" as pretext to justify imperial expansion (remember, "take 7 counties in 5 years"). That's a classic. In antiquity, they used god and religion as pretext for foreign conquests. It sounds a lot better to say that I have to kill you because you don't worship my god than to say I kill you to steal your property and fuck your wife.

The neocons, by pretending to defend human rights, have actually damaged human rights and democracy, both at home and abroad. That's why Trump won to destroy US democracy and fuck with human rights.

That doesn't mean that those who have always defended human rights and opposed neocon policies are wrong. On the contrary, it means they have always been right.

What you say about French invasions is totally muddled too. I think you just don't understand European politics. You are from down-under aren't you?

The French together with the British (both former imperial powers) bombed Libya by using human rights as a pretext to get control over the oil fields. When that shit show went wrong too, the Brits just buggered off while the French at least had the moral rectitude to face the consequences and help Mali defend itself against the terrorist groups that resulted from the bombing of Libya. The Germans, even though they had stayed out of Libya, joined the French in Africa as part of European solidarity, even though they certainly didn't want to send soldiers to Africa.

It's hard to understand how you concocted your story from these facts.



So what you are saying is that you agree with me. Western governments use moral arguments to sway popular support for their adventurism. And that adventurism hasn’t really had a long term goal. Ok, so let’s move on...


Let’s step back from Kurdistan and look at the big picture in the ME. It looks like the Americans will get turfed out of Iraq also.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-troops-leaving-syria-approval-stay-191022084630834.html

This is a set back for the Americans, but they aren’t dependent on ME oil. They are there to maintain influence and spoil rival powers access to oil. The Russians are there for the same reason.

The powers that are dependent on ME energy are Europe, India, Japan and China. So we can expect these powers to get involved in securing their energy supplies.

India and Japan are going to escort their own shipping, neither wishing to join the US lead initiative in order to maintain relations with Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-india/indian-warships-to-stay-longer-in-persian-gulf-but-wont-join-us-coalition-idUSKCN1UD22S

https://en.radiofarda.com/a/japan-tells-us-it-will-send-warships-to-persian-gulf-but-not-join-coalition/30231907.html


Meanwhile, China has Pakistan by the short and curlies.

https://tass.com/pressreview/1082149

Talks between Chinese President Xi Jinping, Prime Minister Li Keqiang and Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan are underway in Beijing. As Pakistan is facing an economic crisis, it has no option but to ask China for more investment and assistance. In return for that, the Chinese Navy will get the right to use Pakistan’s sea ports, Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes.



So I think looks like the EU is going to be the big loser here. Europe can’t even protect it’s own waters around Cyprus, let alone secure shipping in the Persian gulf. And then there is the prospect of terrorists returning ‘home’ and a new wave of refugees. But all we see from Europe is sanctions, moral posturing and sternly worded statements.


Surely you must agree that Europe needs a more cohesive approach to strategy?
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foxdemon wrote:So what you are saying is that you agree with me. Western governments use moral arguments to sway popular support for their adventurism. And that adventurism hasn’t really had a long term goal. Ok, so let’s move on...


Don't think that I let you off that easily, just because you haven't got a leg to stand on.

You attacked me for allegedly having a "romantic" view of geopolitics. Now that you have been proven wrong, you attack me/us for alleged European weakness. Anglos can only see Europe in terms of two mutually exclusive caricatures, either the EU is about to become the 4th Reich or it is a tottering incompetent organisation at the brink of breakdown. Neither is correct.

As above, the information you concoct to construct your distorted image of Europe is totally false. A number of European countries have been patrolling international sea lanes for many years - far more than India or Japan; however, except for the Brits who are always eager to play Uncle Tom's attack dog, nobody is going to join Trump's mission for the Straight of Hormuz, whose only aim is to trigger a confrontation with Iran on behalf of the Saudis. Nobody needed to patrol the Straight of Hormuz if it wasn't for mad Donald because neither the Iranians nor the Saudis would want to block their own oil exports.

Thus, the problem is America and America only. With the Yanks out of the picture, there will be no problem. The conflicts the Americans have started in the last 20 years have bottled up so much fossil fuel supplies that we'll be awash in an oversupply once the US has gone. Add to that fracking from the US and a shift towards renewable, which has to come anyways, we can forget about Saudi oil, most of which doesn't go to Europe anyways.

Europe's natural ally is Russia. While the US can only start conflicts at enormous cost to itself and to Europe in terms of terror and refugees, Putin has demonstrated that he can settle a conflict with relatively modest means and smart diplomacy.
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I feel confident with deals made with US and Russia. They had to make a deal with us to avoid full operation which was consisted of more than 100.000 Turkish soliders and 45.000 Syrian National Army servicemen. Turkey would take all northern Syria in just two weeks.

There will be time we will have revenge on USA and Russia. A very strong and super state Turkey is coming.
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Istanbuller wrote:I feel confident with deals made with US and Russia. They had to make a deal with us to avoid full operation which was consisted of more than 100.000 Turkish soliders and 45.000 Syrian National Army servicemen. Turkey would take all northern Syria in just two weeks.

There will be time we will have revenge on USA and Russia. A very strong and super state Turkey is coming.

Turkey stronk! :excited:
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This map from the Russian Ministry of Defense shows the part actually occupied by Turkey and the part under control of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA). The green triangles indicate SAA checkpoints.

Good luck with cramming 2 million refugees into the part occupied by the Turkish jihadist forces.

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At least the ISIS jihadists escaped due to the Turkish invasion will have somewhere to go. They will reinforce the Turkish proxy forces since they won't be welcomed by the SAA.

U.S. does not know where ISIS escapees are, says Syria envoy
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Atlantis wrote:Hearing on the Trump Administration's Syria Policy



And do you have any comments to share about that hearing?


Istanbuller wrote:I feel confident with deals made with US and Russia. They had to make a deal with us to avoid full operation which was consisted of more than 100.000 Turkish soliders and 45.000 Syrian National Army servicemen. Turkey would take all northern Syria in just two weeks.

There will be time we will have revenge on USA and Russia. A very strong and super state Turkey is coming.


You feel confident with deals made with Russia and the US? OK.

Turkey is regionally strong. But being diplomatically isolated and the one seen as the threat to the political order is not a good place to be in. It will end in tears. Just ask @Atlantis about how letting Hitler leading Germany up the garden path worked out.



Atlantis wrote:Don't think that I let you off that easily, just because you haven't got a leg to stand on.

You attacked me for allegedly having a "romantic" view of geopolitics. Now that you have been proven wrong, you attack me/us for alleged European weakness. Anglos can only see Europe in terms of two mutually exclusive caricatures, either the EU is about to become the 4th Reich or it is a tottering incompetent organisation at the brink of breakdown. Neither is correct.

As above, the information you concoct to construct your distorted image of Europe is totally false. A number of European countries have been patrolling international sea lanes for many years - far more than India or Japan; however, except for the Brits who are always eager to play Uncle Tom's attack dog, nobody is going to join Trump's mission for the Straight of Hormuz, whose only aim is to trigger a confrontation with Iran on behalf of the Saudis. Nobody needed to patrol the Straight of Hormuz if it wasn't for mad Donald because neither the Iranians nor the Saudis would want to block their own oil exports.

Thus, the problem is America and America only. With the Yanks out of the picture, there will be no problem. The conflicts the Americans have started in the last 20 years have bottled up so much fossil fuel supplies that we'll be awash in an oversupply once the US has gone. Add to that fracking from the US and a shift towards renewable, which has to come anyways, we can forget about Saudi oil, most of which doesn't go to Europe anyways.

Europe's natural ally is Russia. While the US can only start conflicts at enormous cost to itself and to Europe in terms of terror and refugees, Putin has demonstrated that he can settle a conflict with relatively modest means and smart diplomacy.


I didn’t attack you for being a romantic. It was merely a statement of fact. And how is the view of the EU as the Fourth Reich and the view of the EU tittering on the point of collapse mutually exclusive?

As regards European naval vessels patrolling, sure. But not German vessels because the Germany navy is under funded and at too low a state of readiness to do anything. Maybe it is time for Germany to get their act together? While on the subject, Germany giving up on austerity in a general sense would boast EU economic prospects. What about grants rather than loans for Greece in order to sure up your south eastern flank?

I agree with your suggestion about moving away from fossil fuels. It has to be done anyway, and the strategic issues are just an extra reason. However, it takes time. In the mean time, I guess we will have to hope the EU doesn’t get edged out of the market and all the oil goes to Asian economies instead.
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foxdemon wrote:And how is the view of the EU as the Fourth Reich

I do find such terminology quite offensive, can we please try and have some minimal standards of language. Either use the proper German term:

Das Viertes Reich

or the proper English equivalent term:

The Fourth Rich

This is typical example of Brexteer hypocrisy. They complain endlessly about the EU attempting to destroy member states national cultures and then try and create a mongrel language themselves.
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Drlee wrote:Utterly disgraceful. Pathological.

25th Amendment.

Amendement, schmamendment.

Trump just isn't as good at genocidal war crimes as American presidents must be.

His domestic critics only have problems with this regime's style.

Most of his POTUS rivals would love to be the one reading the teleprompter lies that usually mask NATO and its mercenary CONTRA crimes.
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foxdemon wrote:And do you have any comments to share about that hearing?


Yes, Americans don't do diplomacy, they only bomb.



Each day you think it can't get worse, and then it surely does.

Having stabbed the US's only ally in the region in the back to allegedly "bring troops home" he now has to send even more troops to occupy the oil fields without allies.

And there were times when they pretended that it wasn't about the oil.

The US isn't only occupying Syria in violation of international law, now Trump deprives the war-torn country of its resources.

It really can't get more cynical than that.

US plans to send tanks to Syria oil fields, reversing Trump troop withdrawal

The US is reportedly planning to deploy tanks and other heavy military hardware to protect oil fields in eastern Syria, in a reversal of Donald Trump’s earlier order to withdraw all troops from the country.

The most likely destination for US armoured units is a Conoco gas plant near the city of Deir Ezzor, the site of a February 2018 clash between US special forces and Syrian regime-backed militias fighting with Russian mercenaries.

Fox News reported such a deployment was “likely” and that the tanks would come from units already in the Middle East. CNN said it would happen relatively soon.

Trump has justified his decision to stand US troops down to allow a Turkish offensive in north-eastern Syria at the cost of abandoning Kurdish partners, by saying he was “bringing the troops home”.

However, it is quite likely it would take more troops to deploy, maintain, supply and protect armoured units in the middle of the eastern Syrian desert than the roughly 1,000 that were in the country before the Turkish invasion.

The contradiction has been apparent in Trump’s remarks in recent days, in which he claimed the US had “secured the oil” even while withdrawing its forces.

“It would mean walling off eastern Syria as a US zone,” Aaron Stein, director of the Middle East programme at the Foreign Policy Research Institute in Washington, said of the plan to put tanks around the Conoco plant. “You would have to protect it from the air. You have to supply it and then you have got to protect the road, presumably from Iraq. You can easily see a scenario where we end up with more troops in Syria than we started off with.”

On Thursday, Trump added to the confusion on Thursday by tweeting: “Perhaps it is time for the Kurds to start heading to the Oil Region!”

The remark seemed to endorse a population transfer from the Kurdish areas along the border with Turkey southwards to the almost entirely Sunni Arab area of Deir Ezzor. Such a mass displacement of Kurds from their homes would fit with Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s plans to resettle north-eastern Syria with Syrian Arab refugees to create a buffer zone against Kurdish insurgents. Kurdish refugees in Turkey are already reported to be subject to forcible deportation.

On Tuesday, Erdoğan struck a deal with Vladimir Putin on a 30km-deep “safe zone” in which Russian military police and Syrian border guards would oversee the withdrawal of armed Kurdish units from the area.

Such mass demographic changes – carried out at the barrel of a gun – risk prolonging Syria’s multiple-front conflict indefinitely, said Jan Egeland, head of the Norwegian Refugee Council and the UN’s former humanitarian chief.

“This was an area of relative stability, before all of these deals,” said Egeland, who was also the UN’s special adviser on Syria. “We need to remind all of these people with the power and the guns that this is no chessboard. It is a place where people live. There are two to three million civilians in this area. I cannot see how this can be a safe zone for long with so many different armed parties.”

Egeland said about 180,000 people, half of them children, had been displaced as a consequence of the Turkish incursion. He added that Kurds arriving at overcrowded camps in Iraq said that many more would join the exodus from the north-east but could not afford to pay people-smugglers who charge hundreds of dollars per person.

Egeland said the mass displacement of populations was being brought about as a consequence of “explosive, improvised deals”.

“For many, the move will not be voluntary and they will displacing the original population there. No problems will be solved and new problems will be created,” he said.

The US special envoy for Syria, James Jeffrey, admitted on Wednesday that “a bit more than 100 Isis detainees have escaped” from captivity as a result of the chaos triggered by the Turkish incursion. Trump claimed on the same day that the escaped Isis fighters had been “largely recaptured”. Jeffrey told Congress: “We do not know where they are.”

There was also considerable uncertainty on Thursday of the fate of nearly 70,000 people, almost all women and children in the al-Hawl camp in north-eastern Syria. Some of them are families of Isis fighters, but many are civilians swept up in formerly Isis-run areas.

The UN’s assistant secretary-general for humanitarian affairs, Ursula Mueller, said the situation in the camp was “desperate”. In a warning directed largely to western nations, Mueller said: “Member states have the primary responsibility for their own nationals, and policies and actions that lead to statelessness should be avoided.”


You see! That's what populists do. Just a single totally unnecessary decision to bolster his ego has already costs hundreds of death and nearly 200,000 new refugees. Many more to come in the next days. ISIS is regrouping. Allies have been stabbed in the back. A relatively safe region is being turned into an unsafe zone with Jihadist militias on the loose looting and killing. Russia, Assad and Iran have been strengthened. The US reputation has been damaged worldwide beyond repair. All of this was completely unnecessary.

Why is Trump doing this? Nobody can be so stupid as to do this by mistake.
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Atlantis wrote:Having stabbed the US's only ally in the region in the back to allegedly "bring troops home" he now has to send even more troops to occupy the oil fields without allies.


Trump already sent 1000 additional troops to the ME back in June in response to “hostile behavior by Iranian forces and their proxy groups”. The "bring back the troops" argument was always just bullshit.
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Atlantis wrote:Having stabbed the US's only ally in the region in the back to allegedly "bring troops home" he now has to send even more troops to occupy the oil fields without allies.

Sure. Turkey, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait aren't allies. :roll: How do you know that wasn't his plan all along? His ruse has flushed a ton of neoconservative moles out of the woodwork. They are all exposed now. Trump said "take the oil" during the campaign in 2016. He seems to be operating consistent with his 2016 rhetoric.

Atlantis wrote:And there were times when they pretended that it wasn't about the oil.

Trump? He was lambasted for saying we should take the oil.

Atlantis wrote:The US isn't only occupying Syria in violation of international law, now Trump deprives the war-torn country of its resources.

Indeed. That makes the neoconservatives in the US happier, even though they've exposed themselves in Trump's latest ruse. He's draining the swamp. Do you think Pelosi would charge Trump with violating the War Powers Act in her articles of impeachment? That would be hilarious.

Atlantis wrote:A relatively safe region is being turned into an unsafe zone with Jihadist militias on the loose looting and killing.

It's not like it's gone from a vacation hotspot with oodles of foreign direct investment into a war zone. It's been a warzone for a long time--well before Trump took office.

Atlantis wrote:Russia, Assad and Iran have been strengthened.

So why don't Europeans step up and take up the "white man's burden" as Kipling called it? I thought you Europeans just loved Iran so much that you hoped the US would lift sanctions so you could do business with them. And you keep buying Russian gas. Trump would love to sell you some US gas.

Atlantis wrote:The US reputation has been damaged worldwide beyond repair.

Oh, we suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune! Maybe there's a chance we could recover. After all, the media seems to have completely forgotten about the Democrats cutting off funding to South Vietnam, leading to the collapse of the government and the communists taking over. ...then again, they might not view that as a tragedy given their secret political sympathies...

Atlantis wrote:Why is Trump doing this? Nobody can be so stupid as to do this by mistake.

He's flushed out a ton of deep state operatives who think they should make policy and the president just go along for the ride. He's draining the swamp.
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BJ said: He's flushed out a ton of deep state operatives who think they should make policy and the president just go along for the ride. He's draining the swamp.


That is why he tried to blackmail Ukraine into framing Biden. Draining the swamp. Yea. That must be what that is. :roll:
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The UK should keep out of this situation, in fact it should leave the Middle East entirely. To do so would be the most correct pursuit of British national interests. The British military presence in the region is not in line with the UK's national interest. Unfortunately the people who run Britain are generally not very intelligent and are governed by delusions of reviving the empire so they will not actually act in the nation's interest. Never listen to anyone with imperialist attitudes trying to play them off as 'British interests', they don't benefit Britain at all. The true patriotism of an Englishman will always be anti-imperialist.

Even the most right wing of right politicians in England, even more right wing than the Tories of his day, Enoch Powell, was against any British empire after Indian decolonisation. During the 1991 Gulf War he dismissed any notions of Saddam Hussein as a threat to Europe and he also was in favour of taking a neutral position when the Soviet Union intervened in Afghanistan.

In fact Europe as a whole should not be involved militarily except as part of a multilateral force.

Erdogan cannot hurt Europe. Europe can do more damage to his regime than he can do to them. Any type of Neo-Ottoman dreams are contrary to the interests of the world powers. If he tries to go into the Balkans he will only get so far. And if he tries anything stupid the Russians will stop him. Russia stopped Napoleon, the Nazis and now they stop ISIS. Russia will always step in to save Europe.
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In Mr. Trump’s bizarre account, he claimed to have done Turkey and the Kurds a “great service” by creating a 20-mile-wide safe zone between them — “an interesting term, safe zone,” the president mused, as if he had just come up with a radically new concept. (The zone was in fact negotiated by Turkey and the Russians.) The president said he was lifting sanctions on Turkish products, and gushed that the commander of Kurdish forces “could not have been more thankful.”

Less than 24 hours later, that same Kurdish commander, Mazloum Abdi, was complaining on Twitter that Turkish forces were violating the “permanent” cease-fire brokered by Mr. Trump.

That Mr. Putin and Mr. al-Assad were now undisputed masters of Syria seemed not to faze Mr. Trump. Nor did he appear concerned that Turkey, a NATO ally whose country harbors American nuclear weapons, and whose leader recently let on that he is thinking of getting nukes of his own, was looking to buy state-of-the-art weaponry from NATO’s primary foe.

At times, Mr. Trump’s televised statement seemed almost like a “Saturday Night Live” parody with lines like, “We’ve done something that’s very, very special,” or, “It’s too early to me to be congratulated.” All the while, Mr. Pence, Mr. Pompeo and the national security adviser, Robert O’Brien, gazed at the president with blank expressions. It’s hard to believe they were not anxiously trying to guess what “very special” fire they’d next be sent to fight.

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Here he is …. the perfect Trump advisor …. Mike "The Dud" Pence who has not only mastered the art of the blank expression but even lets himself be publicly humiliated by his master in the hope that he can become POTUS.
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Atlantis wrote:Yes, Americans don't do diplomacy, they only bomb.



Hmm, well, ok. I though that Glasser fellow sole a lot of sense. He pointed out that the US intervention in Syria didn’t have any authorisation. There was no Congress approval, no UN mandate, no request for aid from the Assad regime (obviously). Instead it looks like the US security machine has become an international force responsible only to itself.

Surely you would agree on the importance of bringing the US war machine and the intelligence agency back under control of elected officials? There is a serious problem here.

Will Congress take back control over the US security machine? Or will they continue to peddle conspiracy theories (courtesy of said security community) in futile attempts to undermine the legitimacy of the White House while Rome burns?


Each day you think it can't get worse, and then it surely does.

Having stabbed the US's only ally in the region in the back to allegedly "bring troops home" he now has to send even more troops to occupy the oil fields without allies.

And there were times when they pretended that it wasn't about the oil.

The US isn't only occupying Syria in violation of international law, now Trump deprives the war-torn country of its resources.

It really can't get more cynical than that.

US plans to send tanks to Syria oil fields, reversing Trump troop withdrawal



You see! That's what populists do. Just a single totally unnecessary decision to bolster his ego has already costs hundreds of death and nearly 200,000 new refugees. Many more to come in the next days. ISIS is regrouping. Allies have been stabbed in the back. A relatively safe region is being turned into an unsafe zone with Jihadist militias on the loose looting and killing. Russia, Assad and Iran have been strengthened. The US reputation has been damaged worldwide beyond repair. All of this was completely unnecessary.

Why is Trump doing this? Nobody can be so stupid as to do this by mistake.




Trump sure is messing up the credibility of US foreign policy. But that policy was being decided outside the proper processes before Trump was elected. The fact is the US military presence in Syria has no legal basis, as @annatar1914 previously pointed out. Trump, in his usual fashion, is making that blatantly obvious. I don’t see how criticism of Trump in anyway abrogates the responsibility of those who created the situation.

You need to learn to that one should always choose the lesser of two weevils.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4PzpxOj5Cc
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The fact is that the American empire is outdated. After the Cold War and the end of communism there was no reason for a global American presence. While communism still existed it could be argued that there needed to be a global alliance to resist it, but even there the Soviet style socialism was not necessarily doctrinaire in its latter decades or even necessarily a force for complete evil.

But now after communism is gone as an ideology there is no justification for global America. Now America must return to its own continent once again. The troops need to be taken home. Take them out of Europe, the Middle East and the Far East and use them to defend the American homeland. Global peace does not rest on American shoulders, there will be other alliances and ways of dealing with the balance of power that do not require American boys to be put in danger. Korea is probably the last instance where the American mission is justified, ensuring the security of South Korea until communism collapses in the north and Korea reunifies. That is America's final mission. Other than that there is no other global role left for the US.

Continentalism is the way of the future. Global empires are outdated. We need a new arrangement.
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Political Interest wrote:The fact is that the American empire is outdated. After the Cold War and the end of communism there was no reason for a global American presence.

America covered the world with chemical weapons and CIA-assisted death squads, and used the communist Boogeyman as a well- propagated, but intelectually flimsy excuse. Like when a priest rams his dick up some altar boy's asse and calls it an exorcism.

Continentalism is the way of the future. Global empires are outdated. We need a new arrangement.

All the recent demonstrations around the world (Catalan, Ecuador, Haïti, Argentina) are about returning to smaller states, not continental superpowers.

And the latest miliary advances (by China) seem to empower ragtag groups of local vigilantes. Soon, small, completely anonymous organisations in Latin America, Middle East, North Africa, and other régions, will be able to disarm NATO by destroying their national infrastructures with drones.

I'm not into eye-for-an-eye, but NATO will NOT stop its destruction of vulnerable nations untill NATO assassin nations are made to pay the price their atrocities demand.

NATO is similar to those Continental Hegemons you think are "the future." Huge empires are a sick dream.
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jimjam wrote:In Mr. Trump’s bizarre account, he claimed to have done Turkey and the Kurds a “great service” by creating a 20-mile-wide safe zone between them — “an interesting term, safe zone,” the president mused, as if he had just come up with a radically new concept. (The zone was in fact negotiated by Turkey and the Russians.) The president said he was lifting sanctions on Turkish products, and gushed that the commander of Kurdish forces “could not have been more thankful.”


The Trump administration claims the merit for having negotiated a ceasefire, which has now become permanent, while omitting the fact that the US only managed to persuade Erdogan to halt the invasion for a short time and that Putin made Erdogan stop the invasion permanently.

Ambassador Jeffrey, undersecretary for Syria, said that Nato ally Turkey first refused a US proposal for joint patrols of a 10 mile strip along the border in the so-called safe zone and now agreed to joint patrols with Russia in the same border strip. Nato ally Turkey is granting Russia what it refuses the US.

He also said that Trump didn't give Erdogan the green light and that Trump ordered the troops out of Syria to keep them "out of harms way" ahead of the invasion by Nato ally Turkey. Trump giving Erdogan the green light for the invasion doesn't sound good, but the almighty US of A having to run from the jihadist proxies of tin-pot dictator Erdogan sounds even worse.

Trump will now publicly celebrate the great victory he achieved in Syria to receive Erdogan in the White House for an official visit of state next month. :lol:

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