Tainari88 wrote:Verv, that is why being a nationalist is no solution. The reason these people MOVE the hell out and risk life and limb is that the money they make in their home nations is abysmal. You got to do the international workers and international long term plan so people can stay the hell PUT in their own economies and their own nations. Some nations being rich and having jobs and others being poor and can't even feed themselves is a recipe for ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
Thinking that only look out for ME and my country and fuck the rest of the world? That is stupid in the extreme.
Human beings are not going to stay put in a country where they can't get an education, they don't have job prospects, they can't get ahead and they can't work and they feel trapped by crime, lack of health care, lack of housing and lack of everything. It is forcing them to leave.
If you think being a selfish rah-rah nationalist with racist policies is going to solve the issues on a global scale? You are wrong. Period.
Capitalism loves cheap labor. They will pervert the laws of the USA and of every other nation for cheap exploitation. You can keep thinking it is the greatest system the world has ever known but it not into nationalistic America I love you....tis of thee. They DON'T GIVE A SHIT. They will be out there getting a profit. If it means like Sivad talks about cheap tacos and so on? Then they will do it.
They are internationalists. The solution has to be internationalist. Nationalism is LIMITED in its ability to solve that issue.
It should be obvious to many that is what the problem is. But somehow people are so blinded by American or British or whatever exceptionalism that they fail to realize we aint living in isolated pockets of human life anymore. People MOVE and information moves and thinking you can force the poor nations to never have poor people fleeing? A pipe dream. BE REALISTIC. Help the ones that are desperate so they stay put. Talking shit and being selfish doesn't solve any problems.
First of all, I never know how to engage someone when I know that the post is emotional and can revert to pure emotion and accusations that I have the wrong emotions at any minute. So I am going to ignore the emotive aspects of your post.
Let me share a few ideas that I have...
I. Vietnam is not hell. I have not been there yet, but I have the good fortune of having a very close Vietnamese colleague who grew up rather poor. Vietnam is a place where life can be difficult but there is not issues of mass starvation or anything. Sure, you make something like $500 to $1,000 a month and this is not enough to actualize your dream of a three car garage, but lunch costs $1 and beer is cheaper.
I believe there are circumstances which can be very negative there, sure, and I am certainly not jealous, but I do not think that it being a difficult place justifies open borders.
II. Nationalism is good. Every nation can dictate its national trade policies to serve their own direct interests. There won't be American billionaires forcing Kenya to open up its markets if the government has a backbone and stands up to them.
Nationalism will not solve everything, but the status quo that enables 39 aZns to die in the back of a truck have been created by globalists that do not want to see immigration laws enfroced because they want higher profit margins.
III. I love the rest of the world! I want the rest of the world to stay similar to what they are as today in the sense that I enjoy cultures and languages being preserved.
I want to see Mexicans and Palestinians and Tamils maintain their distinctive identities because I love them -- this is the core of nationalism.
Globalists, like you, end up promoting a global monoculture that destroys differences and slowly turns everyone into cosmopolitan consumers.
Of course, I am generalizing your view slightly, but you do so far more ridiculously when you talk about my view. It would certainly be a double standard if you expected me to treat your views with more nuance in spite of the fact that I have already been treatign them with more respect than you treat mine.
You think that you are a very nice person and that this enables you to yell at me, but I think that when you yell at me it actually shows that you are not nice. You are nice to those who are nice to you and agree with you, and you are being a jerk towards people who disagree with you.
The Bible says if you love others who love you, what reward will you get? Even the tax colelctors do that. (Matthew 5:46).
You should love me especially because I am your enemy.
Now, come in for a hug, friend!
August 8th, 2019