Kaiserschmarrn wrote:You'll forgive me if I don't put much stock in your predictions considering how confident you were before the election, against all factual evidence.
I did consider Brexit being an issue in this election and was wrong to consider this election to mean more than Brexit to most of the working class who voted for it, but there was other factual evidence that added to my confidence, such as the results of the 2017 election, the shambles of the Tory government throughout and during the election, the size of Labour membership, the running scared wherever Boris Johnson campaigned compared to the opposite happening where Jeremy Corbyn did the same.
Still, I'm not here to convince you, since you're a rightwinger anyway.
Also, if Labour descends into infighting again rather than concentrating on actually winning elections, we could well be looking at a further sustained period of Tory dominance.
I don't recall you saying this to the Blairites over the last few years.
Still, I don't understand how people like you don't get that there is a rightwing within Labour, albeit the minority when it comes to membership. One side has to win and I support the left doing it, whereas you support the Blairites.
Sure, it's all somebody else's fault. Your side would do well to take some responsibility, but it won't.
The left of Labour and ex-Labour called this second ref on Brexit as being bad news. People like Ian Lavery, George Galloway etc. were screaming it from the beginning and throughout the election. This is why it took a year for the treacherous Blairites to pressure Corbyn into adopting the position. How about your side
accept responsibility? I mean, I say that, but you're glad the Tories won so what the fuck even is this debate.
I'll need some time to recover from loathsome Corbyn being in charge of one of the main parties, but more importantly I do want Britain to have a reasonably credible and mature opposition party.
I'm sure if Corbyn won you'd be doing all of this some more, as you have for the last few years. Stop pretending you didn't just win an election and celebrate, instead acting angry at Labour because it's not as rightwing as you'd like. The Blairites are in full force trying to make Labour a centrist party again, this was their plan all along. I'm sticking around within the membership to make sure this doesn't happen, mainly because of getting played by the Blairites within the party. It's now in principle for me to push Labour as far left as possible.