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Looks like more fires ahead and some bad days, but the worst of it appears to have finally passed.
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* A water bombing helicopter ditched in a dam on New South Wales South Coast on Thursday. The pilot was safe.
* Authorities have warned that the huge fires, spurred by high temperatures, wind and a three-year drought, will persist until there is substantial rainfall. The weather agency said there was no sign of that for months.
“It takes a huge amount of rain to put out bushfires of this intensity and of this scale. That’s not forecast,” South Australia Fire Chief Jones told reporters.
* Weather officials in South Australia issued a severe weather warning for some parts of the state’s north.
* New South Wales fire officials warned of “extreme fire danger” in the state’s alpine region.
* Victoria state extended its disaster alert level for another two days.
* The Australian Bureau of Meteorology reported only 6% of typical annual rainfall last year, while daytime temperatures were more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal: “Australia’s getting warmer, the fire season’s getting longer and the severity of the fire weather during that season is getting more frequent and severe.”
* New South Wales announced new funding of A$1 billion ($686 million) to rebuild.
* Mining magnate Andrew Forrest pledged A$70 million to a recovery package, including a force of more than 1,000 volunteers from the mining and agriculture sectors to help with rebuilding.
* 1,870 homes have been destroyed on the badly hit New South Wales coast.
* Moody’s Analytics said the cost of the fires could easily surpass that of deadly 2009 Black Saturday fires that destroyed 450,000 hectares of land, which cost an estimated A$4.4 billion.
* The prime minister has pledged A$2 billion ($1.4 billion) to a newly created National Bushfire Recovery Agency.
* About 100 firefighters from the United States and Canada are helping with another 140 expected in coming weeks.
* Malaysia has approved a plan to send 65 fire and rescue personnel to help. The deployment is awaiting Australian approval.
* Ecologists at the University of Sydney have estimated 1 billion animals have been killed or injured.
* The fires have emitted 400 megatonnes of carbon dioxide and produced harmful pollutants, the EU’s Copernicus monitoring program said.
* Smoke has drifted across the Pacific, affecting cities in South America, and may have reached the Antarctic, the U.N. World Meteorological Organization said.
ness31 wrote:Smokes really bad today. My lungs are not happy.
Empirical study shows that climate change denial originates with US fossil fuel magnates like the Koch brothers, etc., and that climate change denial is driven by
1) the American belief in small government, ie. no regulation,
2) the belief in the "American way of life", ie. unlimited wealth accumulation, and
3) the US's geopolitical objectives.
1) and 2) are obvious, and 3) is determined by the US's rivalry with Chine for global domination (again the Empire!). Helping China transition to modern technology and clean energy, helping 3rd world countries cope with the effects of climate change, while hampering the US's fossil fuel industry by regulation and a carbon tax is not thought to be compatible with the imperatives of the US Empire. (They aren’t even defending US interests; they are defending only their own short-term profits, because by delaying the transition to green technology they condemn the US to failure)
late wrote:It's called the Curse of Oil.
The Koch brothers are a special case.
@Atlantis , I agree, but Europe and other developed regions are not exempt from this pattern of behavior. The only difference is that Europe has a stronger labour movement, better regulations and a superior welfare state, but they aren't exempt from the moral paradox of capitalist wealth. Materially speaking Northern Europeans are better off than most workers in North America, which is probably why climate justice is taken more seriously in Scandinavian countries. In the Anglosphere and more specifically North America, it's a dog-eat-dog society and the market is constantly pricing everyone out with very few protections, either in terms of a social safety net, wage rates or in terms of broader political economy. Everyone I know who has had a taste of European life has found it difficult to return here. So if you think we're the privileged ones, I don't think you understand how inequality operates here and how capitalism exploits false consciousness more efficiently here than anywhere else in the world.
Donald wrote:@Atlantis, where in my previous response did I advocate socialism or communism as a solution to climate change? Maybe re-read what I wrote:
Donald wrote: they aren't exempt from the moral paradox of capitalist wealth. ... the market is constantly pricing everyone out with very few protections, ... capitalism exploits false consciousness ...
Atlantis wrote:@B0ycey, read my 2nd message on this page (page 4). I think you'll understand what I mean.
B0ycey wrote:Well I agree completely with what you wrote. The market economy shouldn't dictate policy and can be regulated anyway you like. But the drive for profits out performs logic. It is profit that makes people live in denial because it costs them to think differently. It is difficult to prove and even this is perhaps merely heresay (and my opinion), but to me if profit was not a factor in an economic model, there would be no reason for any country to deny evidence and as such would invest more time in developing solutions to this problem.
The technology to reduce our dependence on oil significantly is already out there. You have to question why we are still where we are today as that is the case. And it simply comes down to cost.
Atlantis wrote:I understood that you consider "capitalism" as the root cause and that the market economy will always produce the same problems as in the US because "they are not exempt from the moral paradox..." That's why I took some trouble explaining why I think that the social market economy in other countries produces better results than the neoliberal model in the US, even if both are sometimes summarized by the vague term of capitalism.
If you consider the market economy to be fundamentally flawed, you can't blame me for assuming that you advocate socialism, or like certain others here (@potemkin, et. al.,) consider that socialism is the solution to climate change and everything else.
If that is not the case, so much the better. Anyways, my argument still hold true, even if it doesn't apply to you.
Atlantis wrote:You can profit by selling fossil fuels or by selling renewable energy. There is no difference, except that those who benefit from the fossil fuel economy will suffer.
Even without climate change, to become independent of foreign energy sources is in itself a worthwhile aim.
On the other hand, the dirty heavy industry of the Comecon countries was extremely polluting even without the profit motive.
Donald wrote:Europe is indistinguishable from the US and the rest of the Anglosphere where it concerns the historical connection between carbon emissions and economic development. It is part of the industrial West. It is part of the same historical-economic dynamic that enriched itself via colonialism and imperialism. Your own country, Germany, is a bigger carbon emitter than the UK, Canada or Australia and it enjoys a standard of living generated by its economic ties to the United States. You seem to think having better climate laws and a better welfare state is a German or European birthright rather than a privilege.
Atlantis wrote:On a per capita basis, the US emits twice as much CO2 and Australia three times as much as the EU, even though the US has off-shored most of its CO2 emissions together with manufacturing and is actively cheating about the methane emissions from fracking. Your life-style sucks! Moreover, while the EU is the only region that is actually reducing its emissions, the US and Australia are still denying climate change to further expand fossil fuel exploitation.
Germany never had a colonial empire and its prosperity has nothing to do with the US. In fact the US empire is a liability both economically and politically.
You are obviously delirious and incapable of dialogue. There is no point in continuing the discussion.
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