foxdemon wrote:Dear me @Tainari88 . You seem to have gotten out of the wrong side of bed today.
I am quite sure there will be a lot of societies being restructured around the world in the coming decade. Most will fail. Nothing has ever come of utopian socialism. In fact socialism generally seems to struggle to deliver the goods. Unless it copies capitalism, as per China.
Socialism boils down to a tribal appeal to take the stuff of those excluded from the tribe. The in group is all good and the out group is all bad. The out group did injustice to the in group therefore the in group can justify killing the out group and taking their stuff.
The problem comes when there are no more wealth creators to rob. Then everyone starves. Well, except for the elite class who decides how resources are distributed.
Wait, don’t tell me. Socialism just hasn’t been done right yet.
No Foxdemon that is all justifications for people with no real understanding of how wealth is centered on human beings' abilities and human beings' needs---and their relationships with each other and to nature. The source of all the wealth.
As a socialist, inclusion is vital. Like Jane Goodall talks about in the Davos video, she is inclusive of all human needs and abilities because that is what an intelligent naturalist does. They study primates and the animal kingdom their whole lives and see connections. Connections vital to nature, to each other in many nations and to the need to preserve the world for future generations. Goodall is logical, rational and also emotionally whole in thinking. Love and compassion and logical reasoning and study her entire life of ecosystems and the role primates have in that system? Has made her in her old age conclude that inclusion of all groups as necessary in the natural order is key. But notice what she stated Foxdemon? The ones who are creating these problems? Are disconnected and are not understanding why they need to change.
You are one of the disconnected thinkers Foxdemon. You love to paint the socialists as failures and capitalists as the only stupid alternative? It is not. Capitalism emerged from a human system moving out of feudalism and slavery. Capitalism is a step above that. But there are other concepts that are better than this rapacious capitalism creating imbalances in nature and forcing a reaction to the system that says you got to consume, demand, sell and allow most of the wealth to be controlled by these low consciousness people because they are right and their needs and wants as a small elite class all over the world is paramount and takes precedence over the needs of the many. They don't. They never will. And we can't afford the mess they are making without even talking about what the majority want to happen anymore. No more conformity with the injustice. That is something you are going to have to accept. The Right has to accept change. It is coming whether you like it or not. By the nonaction and nonchoices the global elites have done.
@foxdemon you are condescending and patronizing and very complacent with the state of affairs in the world. I can think you might be deeply discriminatory or classist. But I think you are just uninformed about many things. Lol.
No, Foxdemon I did not wake up on the wrong side of the bed. I joined a website that has a lot of Aussies, British, English speaking people who dialogue and debate like the Dutchman historian Rutger Bregman. I am not Dutch, English or British or Aussie. That is not my style of being expressive in political debates. I have news for you? Diversity of cultural expression. I am Latin American and passionate as can be about political stances. Anyone who is not in the Latin nations of America would FAIL at being any kind of leader, or writers or any kind of communicator in that culture if one is not passionate about the reasons for the disagreement with other political philosophies. Passion is my style and the style of my culture. You think it is about the loss of control or lack of argument because you come from a different cultural matrix than I do. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with Latinos hating boring oration. Or speech that is flat like Bregman's matter of fact deliveries. No, we dance, we sing and we are passionate. If you don't like it? I don't care Foxdemon. I am not some Aussie rightist who grew up with those styles. I never will be. hmm, @Potemkin doesn't seem to mind my passionate style of talking or writing. That you think it is about being in a bad mood or something? Fox MAN you need to get out of Australia and visit the Latin American nations someday. And stop assuming that everyone has the same style. I write in the English language. But I am not an English speaking culture person. Get that through your head.
You are not used to that passionate and direct style. It is particular to the Cubans, Puerto Ricans and Dominican way of expression. You only read my words Foxdemon....you did not hear it did you? No voice sound at all? Yet you got the passion anyway. That is who I am. Passionate and outspoken about injustices. I don't go for the Bregman style. I am not Dutch. Lol. It works that coldish, logical, flat delivery with truth to power like Tucker Carlson did not like.
The Africans and the Latin Americans got more to complain about by far in the world of being exploited to make all these banker freaks...who not only rip us off but who are racist pigs as well thinking they are better than we are because somehow they are the ones with money and control in the world and we are just the grunts. All societies have class structures. But they break down when there is too much lack of justice for too long. And you can't waste time anymore.
Bregman is Dutch. But he proposes a solution. He is not from the Right. I am on the side of all the ones proposing stopping and confronting the rich and powerful in a war to change the world for the better. Some of us will do it like the ex-president of Uruguay Jose Mujica, others will do it like a Swedish socialist would do it. Others like the French or any other nation full of socialist thought for restructuring society.
Putting human needs and abilities first before profit is a good idea. Lol. Get used to it. Leave your boring style at home Foxdemon. Another thing to think about Fox man? It looks like people are staying at home and losing salaries and losing profits and they are doing it for a fairly long stretch of time. Why? Because they know the undeniable truth that HUMAN life and saving human life is more important than profiting. Some think it is not and proceed to delight in making money from the misery of their fellow human beings in pain. I say? Their time will come too. Just you wait. The ones trying to cooperate to save lives in this pandemic already chose a side and a political point of view. They just haven't putt a name on it yet. But I have. SOCIALISM
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