Julian658 wrote:We have a massive training problem with cops.
I lot of them spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan doing house to house searches, have seen their buddies die, etc. So a lot of it is a problem with the training and not the lack of it, more specifically overriding the military training with police training.
Julian658 wrote:If white dude dies no one cares. If black dude dies it is racism. Got it!
That is because most of this is politically-driven. The number of black people killed by cops is actually quite low now. Far more cops are killed by black people than the other way around.
Julian658 wrote:Watch this one. A teenager is stopped and shot because the cops want to see both hands up. Once the kid is moribund on the ground the cops shoot two more times because he moved his hands.
How did @noemon let you get away with that one? If I link something like that, it's "black murder porn." That other hand could be used to draw a gun. That's exactly how they're trained to react.
Pants-of-dog wrote:So Mr, Floyd broke no law. And with presumption of innocence, the law cannot assume that he intentionally used counterfeit money.
Evidence codes usually create a rebutable presumption that law enforcement did things correctly. In other words, prosecutors would have to make the case that the police had no probable cause to think that Floyd had committed any crime. I doubt this case is going to go in that direction. They don't need to pursue that line of inquiry, because the video evidence is substantive enough to support the charges.
Pants-of-dog wrote:And no one has done anything about the police brutality since then.
They won't do anything about it. They'll just blame it on Trump, knowing that he has no control over local police forces.
noemon wrote:Your bj style quoting is not addressing any point, it is just adding verbosity on nothing at all, just like his. It's low quality text.
Your posts literally tell people what they think, and then you argue against your own strawman assertion of them. That's why people respond to your every assertion. Acquiescence is consent. Like many, you seem to want people to come to the conclusion that this is somehow about Donald Trump. It is not. This type of police violence has been going on for a long time. Eric Garner was killed by the NYPD in 2014 when Obama was president--a very similar situation. You are just unwilling to deal with the nature of the urban Democrat political machine, which is where those police operate.
Godstud wrote:@Beren They're police. They expect to be immune to charges because they were doing it to a black man, and they are above the law.
Clearly, they didn't think Floyd was going to die.
Drlee wrote:To put it succinctly, there is nothing at all to indicate that a single major political figure or officeholder is taking this seriously aside from a few black democrats.
The Republicans do not control large urban cities for the most part. Think of Republicans running large cities. Jacksonville, Miami, San Diego. Where else? There just aren't that many. The Democrats aren't going to change, and their voters aren't going to hold them to account either. What person protesting is really going to vote against the Democrat in the next election, or primary the politicians in charge when these events occur? I think that number is pretty close to zero.
maz wrote:I remember when Obama was president, those on the right tried to hold him accountable for supposed deteriorating race relationships during his president. I didn't think that was fair to Obama and I don't think it is fair to hold Trump accountable either.
Obama reflexively took sides against the police, almost straight away. He actually put a lot of that away for the second term, because his poll numbers went down after the Beer Summit. Skip Gates was disorderly without a good reason. The officer was just trying to verify that they were not breaking and entering. Gates could have ended that altercation by simply showing an ID, but instead started lighting up the cop.
maz wrote:However, all Obama did to quell "racism" was have a beer summit and and issue policy recommendations that police wear body cams.
The body cams came much later. I actually agreed with that, because the cops are wrongly accused so often. The cops hate it, but mostly because they get admonished for swearing, gossiping, etc. anything that deviates from professional conduct.
Wat0n wrote:^ The bodycams have been useful to deter cops from misbehavior and documenting it sometimes (and also exonerating them when it's not their fault).
The latter part of it is much more often the case. I think Obama thought he'd get a treasure trove of police misconduct, but it's been a treasure trove of false complaints against the police quite often.
Drlee wrote:So any argument that "just a tap" would not harm anyone but an old man does not hold water at all. Or an argument that the old man was frail and inclined to fall. Doesn't matter.
The difference is the police are being ordered to clear the streets to enforce a curfew. The criminal who goes into the liquor store presumably isn't doing so under the orders of a lawful authority.
Drlee wrote:It will have to defeat incumbents, particularly unrepentant republicans who are stoking the fires of racism.
This sort of police violence happens in places governed by Democrats at least 90% of the time. Defeating Republicans will do nothing, because the places with these problems are governed almost exclusively by Democrats.
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