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https://www.asiatimesfinancial.com/ccp- ... ate-sector

Summary :

Chinese President Xi Jinping and the Communist Party's Central Committee have laid out a plan for a 'new era' in which the party has better control over private business in China.

The statement seeks to improve CCP control over private enterprise and entrepreneurs through United Front Work "To better focus the wisdom and strengthen of the private businesspeople on the goal and mission to realise the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation."

According to the new provisions, private firms will need a certain amount of CCP registered employees, which is already a long-term practise in large private firms but not smaller ones.


This is to help coordinate a countrywide response to constant US economic aggression. One of the US sanctions schemes proposed was to block any company with Chinese communist party members from doing business with other companies and vice versa. This will make a further mockery of current US sanctions. Good luck blocking the entire Chinese market from global trade. Well done pooh bear. Show those globohomos who's boss of the honeytree.
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This is simply a further consolidation of the power of the literal fascism of the CCP. If you're a western business with a factory in China, your IP and trade secrets are probably being stolen by the state or domestic businesses if it has any value. If ie: Apple is manufacturing iPhones in China, you can bet the place is bugged and/or filled with "workers" working for the CCP etc.

1 in 5 corporations report IP theft from China in past year, 1 in 3 report it in the last decade:

https://fortune.com/2019/03/01/china-ip-theft/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... est-threat
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Unthinking Majority wrote:This is simply a further consolidation of the power of the literal fascism of the CCP. If you're a western business with a factory in China, your IP and trade secrets are probably being stolen by the state or domestic businesses if it has any value. If ie: Apple is manufacturing iPhones in China, you can bet the place is bugged and/or filled with "workers" working for the CCP etc.

1 in 5 corporations report IP theft from China in past year, 1 in 3 report it in the last decade:

https://fortune.com/2019/03/01/china-ip-theft/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... est-threat


And what's new, CIA has been doing this to European companies for years...within Europe. And if china is pillaging these western companies so much, why do they keep coming back for more? That's right, for the epic cash. China's market is hard to avoid.

As for Fascism, good. I have always supported a traditionally fascist (30's italy) socialist, nationalist regime, and this is classic fascism of the good kind before hitler turned it into a dumb aryan meme. You're right this is exactly what it is.
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I did not see Marxism being advanced anywhere in the article, but I was able to see this:

According to the new provisions, private firms will need a certain amount of CCP registered employees, which is already a long-term practise in large private firms but not smaller ones.

These cadres will make sure businesses follow the guiding ideology “Guided by Xi Jinping’s Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era.”

They will also guide private business people to enhance the latest CCP catchphrases – “four consciousnesses”, strengthen the “four self-confidences”, and achieve the “two safeguards.”

Duties of cadres will include the duties of strengthening ideological guidance, guiding private economic figures to increase their awareness of self-discipline, build a strong line of ideological and moral defence, strictly regulate their own words and deeds, cultivate a healthy lifestyle, and create a good public image.

They will also need to continuously improve law abidance and moral standards of private citizens.


It's really just fascistic (as mentioned by other users).

Got a strong NazBol feeling.

Provided nothing really changes in terms of how the mechanics of the free market operate, and considering that this will all be done to serve the current trajectory of ChiCom interests, the writing is really on the wall for Hong Kong. China's neighbors should also be weary.

It's also interesting to contemplate what sort of moral standards for private citizens the CCP will try to impose. Since they're ex-Marxist atheists (for all intents & purposes), they really probably just beleive in a sort of pragmatic utilitarianism. It's hard to describe this as morality -- it's just managerial ethics or the ethics of efficiency. Not morals in any philosophical sense of the word.
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Igor Antunov wrote:As for Fascism, good. I have always supported a traditionally fascist (30's italy) socialist, nationalist regime, and this is classic fascism of the good kind before hitler turned it into a dumb aryan meme. You're right this is exactly what it is.


Nationalism is good, fascism is not, it's dangerous and extreme. The CCP is trying to commit physical and cultural genocide against ethnic groups in China that aren't Han Chinese. Ya no thanks.
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@Igor Antunov, I'm still waiting for that first truck of ore you said you would send to my house.

You don't remember telling me that? Something about some land you acquired?

Actually, that would be a real dick move. :lol: So touche to you on that idea.

I don't care for the ore, but curious to hear if that venture went anywhere
#15120975
The CCP is building a fast-rising industrial economy among the most powerful in the world, led by a brutal totalitarian dictatorship driven by national rejuvenation, bent on global dominance, fosters extreme nationalism supported by intense propaganda, brutally suppresses dissent, commits genocide against minority ethnicities, has the largest # of active military personnel in the world, doesn't abide by international agreements or law, and helped by naive western governments who appease them.

Where have I heard this before?
#15120977
Rancid wrote:Most foreign companies don't own factories in China. They tend to just contract to Chinese owned factories in China.

Yes that's true. Which makes it even worse, since these companies have little control of these factories. Chinese gov officials i'm sure can enter them for "inspection" any time they choose. Meanwhile, planting surveillance technology and whatever else. I would hope these western companies have their own people on the floor watching over operations.
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Unthinking Majority wrote:Yes that's true. Which makes it even worse, since these companies have little control of these factories. Chinese gov officials i'm sure can enter them for "inspection" any time they choose. Meanwhile, planting surveillance technology and whatever else. I would hope these western companies have their own people on the floor watching over operations.


Keep in mind, it was the west that wanted to open up China. It was the west that entered into all these agreements with China. Ultimately, we did it to ourselves.

I can speak from limited personal experience.

It always depends on the specific product being manufactured. But generally, you would not be allowed on the factory floor. They usually cite safety as the reason, which is legitimate (you don't know the factory well, and safety practices aren't good there), but I'm sure there's a bit of them just not wanting you to see what they are up to.

I was given a tour of the factory floor, but taken to a separate conference room. It was nice, lots of snacks and drinks and shit. Anyway, they brought the equipment I had to work on there rather than working on it on the factory floor (which would have been easier).

The safety is in fact bad. I remember seeing buckets full of broken glass just out in the middle of the hall. It didn't occur to them to put a cap on the fucking bucket. :lol:

As for IP theft, yes, I've seen it happen it's pretty rampant. Working in tech, you hear about all sorts of shady shit doing on. It's basically impossible to prevent it all.

One funny story. At a previous company, I worked with an older guy that previous worked for HP. While at HP he developed a product test specification, which he shared with HP's contract manufacturer in China. Fast forward 10-15 years later, he's working at the same company as me (not HP). I hear him cry out in a mad laughter. He called me over. He tells me about how 10-15 years earlier, he wrote that product test manual while at HP. Then he shows me an email between him and the contract manufacturer we were using (which wasn't the same as the one HP previously used). In the email chain he asks "Can you give me a high level explanation of your testing procedures. Bullet points in this email are fine." They just emailed him the specification he wrote while at HP. It said "HP" on it, and it had his name as the author. :lol: They didn't even bother to remove that shit.

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There is a cultural element here too though. In China, the notion of wanting privacy and confidentiality in your day to day life just isn't as strong in their culture. People's expectation of privacy is much lower than the west. I think some of that bleeds into how companies operate there. Basically, they don't really understand the importance of confidentiality in the business world. That said, they are secretive when it comes to foreigners. I'm sure the CCP likes it that way.

This is just some speculation of course.
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Rancid wrote:@Igor Antunov, I'm still waiting for that first truck of ore you said you would send to my house.

You don't remember telling me that? Something about some land you acquired?

Actually, that would be a real dick move. :lol: So touche to you on that idea.

I don't care for the ore, but curious to hear if that venture went anywhere


Still have it. Covid slowed everything right down to a stop in 2020. Extended Family have started building homes and hotels on it. Some without permission, but that's ok, they're family. I am yet to join in on the fun. There's an ancient Roman cemetery on it we discovered last year. I've found coins dating from the 2nd century AD there.

We have chunks of land all over the Balkans on both sides of the family. Old great great whatever the fuck grand daddy was an adopted knight turned noble in the austro-hungarian regime and managed to gobble up a bunch of real estate. But none of this land has suffered as much damage and abuse over the past 200 years as the chunk shown below.

Some company has been extracting prime marble and other material for cement from the hills for years. They've stolen tens of millions of dollars. We're organizing a team of lawyers to annihilate them and everything they hold dear. The evidence is smeared all over our land, they've turned it into an open cut disaster. Everything in red is ours, they will pay for their insolence.

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Igor Antunov wrote:https://www.asiatimesfinancial.com/ccp-announces-plan-to-take-control-of-chinas-private-sector

Summary :



This is to help coordinate a countrywide response to constant US economic aggression. One of the US sanctions schemes proposed was to block any company with Chinese communist party members from doing business with other companies and vice versa. This will make a further mockery of current US sanctions. Good luck blocking the entire Chinese market from global trade. Well done pooh bear. Show those globohomos who's boss of the honeytree.


As expected and predicted. China economy is going to implode at this rate. The mistakes in the system are pilling up. To be more precise, Chinese economy already imploded to some extent, it is just that the falsified Chinese statistics don't show it. Eventually, they won't be able to cover up all of the problems with faking statistics.
#15121007
Sounds weird to me but the Chinese have done pretty well economically, so people overall probably benefit from seeing a country try different things.

IMHO China's real economic success comes from the fact that baby mommas mostly don't exist there and not so much from the other things. People could try to imitate them but there's no guarantee it would work out. Which doesn't mean that different approaches aren't valid.
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So Unthinking Majority mentioned Apple in his complaint about corporations having to obey China's gov't instead of overthrowing it and replacing it with a more compliant regime. Apple, a trillion dollar corporation, is so brutal and authoritarian in its business practices that dozens of its factory workers have been driven to suicide and FoxxCon had to install suicide nets at the factories where it manufactures Apple products. It must be terrible for the imperialists to discover a country that cannot be bullied or marginalised easily.
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