- 26 Mar 2021 15:10
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What? I mean, you are choosing not to believe any evidence. Or think that it is fake.
Reality is that we have statements from Chinese government that admit they were doing it from before although right now they have become more careful. We have witness testimonies from dozens if not hundreds of former camp dwellers all available on youtube or any of the large medias. We have satellite images available from different sources of those camps. We have videos of the camps and even some guards from those camps have come forward at times on what is going on in them. The Chinese stupidly also published documents relating to their policies. A lot of those people escaped China and now live in other countries including the West.
How much more fucking evidence do you need?
I do not think that any nation is hopeless to change; however, I think that some nations do require a lot more effort than others to become changed. - Verv
Frigidweirdo wrote:Your "facts" aren't facts.
There's no evidence "400 thousand women" are being forcibly sterilised.
There's some anecdotal evidence of what China is doing, in other words this is people getting out and saying something. Whether what they're saying is "the truth", part of "the truth" or just something people have told them to say to try and give people ammunition is hard to tell.
China had the one child policy, which, surprisingly, didn't actually cover most of the country. If you were religious, or from an ethnic minority you weren't subject to the one child policy. It was mostly Han Chinese and it was mostly city or town people. In the countryside it was possible for a lot of people to have two children.
Was this genocide from the Han Chinese against themselves?
On the other hand we know the Chinese are doing a lot in Xinjiang that does amount to genocide. Importing Han Chinese, trying to export Uighurs out of the region.
We also know that Uighurs were going to places like Pakistan to learn how to be "terrorists" or "freedom fighters", whatever you choose to call them.
We know travel is restricted, when I went in 2014 travel was restricted to certain areas. We wanted to go to the first village in China to have Islam, we were allowed one hour there and weren't allowed into the village.
The hardest thing here is trying to figure out what is known, and what is what people want people to "know".
Clearly China wants Xinjiang, clearly it doesn't want terrorism in the region, I mean, who would? But clearly it is committing genocide, but it's not always clear how it is doing this.
The "re-education camps" are genocide because they're attempting to destroy culture.
An influx of Han Chinese is genocide because it's attempting to destroy the culture of the area.
For example. Beyond that it's a little difficult to know who is manipulating what. Both sides are manipulating, and what do we actually know from this?
What? I mean, you are choosing not to believe any evidence. Or think that it is fake.
Reality is that we have statements from Chinese government that admit they were doing it from before although right now they have become more careful. We have witness testimonies from dozens if not hundreds of former camp dwellers all available on youtube or any of the large medias. We have satellite images available from different sources of those camps. We have videos of the camps and even some guards from those camps have come forward at times on what is going on in them. The Chinese stupidly also published documents relating to their policies. A lot of those people escaped China and now live in other countries including the West.
How much more fucking evidence do you need?
I do not think that any nation is hopeless to change; however, I think that some nations do require a lot more effort than others to become changed. - Verv