- 31 Mar 2021 20:26
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George Floyd was likely a piece of shit. The issue is that Chauvin already had him in cuffs and Floyd was indicating he was in bad straits. So they should have gotten him to hospital straight away. What's going to fuck those guys is that the police told the paramedics to back off. I think that seals their doom. I still think as a point of law, they are guilty of felony manslaughter and they need to face jailtime. Not just Chauvin. Tou Thao is also culpable in preventing paramedics to attend to Floyd. Could they have saved Floyd? I'm guessing it's unlikely, because he probably ingested a fatal dose of fentanyl to prevent its discovery and the legal consequences. When you're already intoxicated, you make bad choices. That's not the case with the police. They were within the scope of their training as far as the restraint as the statutes and the courts give them pretty wide latitude. However, they were behaving like total pricks. Preventing first aid is going to look like malice.
It's unlikely that you would die if Chauvin did that to you. It's a total prick move, don't get me wrong. However, it wouldn't kill you. Floyd's lungs weighed 2-3x normal due to his long-term fentanyl use. This is the same situation as the Eric Garner situation, EXCEPT that the police prevented the paramedics from rendering first aid and ignored pleas from everyone else who thought Floyd was dying. Garner wasn't a drug addict and Floyd was. However, preventing medical care when it has been plead by the victim, paramedics and bystanders is enough to establish criminal negligence of Chauvin and Thao.
Who are you to talk? You defend the establishment that puts these cops out on the street, that allows fentanyl to come from China and pour over the Mexican border, rig urban elections so that they are always in control, etc. Then, when your system pulls this kind of shit, you blame it on white people and racism and not the American politicians you champion from over in Thailand for some bizarre reason.
Medically speaking, it's not likely that it did. It's likely that Floyd was an OD case, but it's also likely that the paramedics had bronchodilators, oxygen and narcan. Would it have saved Floyd? It did the last time he pulled this stunt. However, when you tell the paramedics to stand down and the person you already have in cuffs dies, you're in big trouble.
We'll see what gets admitted into evidence. One of the autopsy reports made public suggests otherwise. His lungs were 2-3x normal weight due to long-term fentanyl use. It can lead to pleural effusion among other things.
Police are called to do what they do. They don't just run around willy nilly putting people in hand cuffs and then putting a knee on their necks for some amount of time.
Police training is done according to well-reviewed standards. Training does vary from city to city and state to state, but it's not terrible. The problem is that they do exactly what they are told, and in this situation they are not told to administer first aid to a detainee/arrestee complaining of difficulty breathing, chest pains, etc. The training SHOULD tell them to administer first aid immediately and summon assistance. If the arrestee turns out to be lying, it's another charge. Yes, detainees panic, lie, and will do anything to get out of an arrest, but that does not absolve the police from a duty of care to people in their custody.
If you're from South America, you know its 35x as bad down there in places like Rio. There's a police killing of a civilian on average multiple times a day in Rio alone. This does not interest Godstud. He considers that "whataboutism." The reality is he is not interested in police brutality, racism, etc. He's interested in left wing media narratives and is chronically obsessed with the United States.
Yeah, they are sometimes a bit too trigger happy. Those are often split second decisions and have to be made in view of their own personal safety, but also of the public safety. That's why they are treated to such a wide berth.
B0ycey wrote:Sure, let's wait for the toxicology report. But considering he had just gone to the shops the findings are going to be negligible at best. Hardly ODing was he? But rather than make this about politics, if we both agree that Chauvin is guilty, then why are you trying to find an excuse for him? Was the knee to the neck what killed Floyd to you? If the answer is yes, the rest of your points are just waffle.
George Floyd was likely a piece of shit. The issue is that Chauvin already had him in cuffs and Floyd was indicating he was in bad straits. So they should have gotten him to hospital straight away. What's going to fuck those guys is that the police told the paramedics to back off. I think that seals their doom. I still think as a point of law, they are guilty of felony manslaughter and they need to face jailtime. Not just Chauvin. Tou Thao is also culpable in preventing paramedics to attend to Floyd. Could they have saved Floyd? I'm guessing it's unlikely, because he probably ingested a fatal dose of fentanyl to prevent its discovery and the legal consequences. When you're already intoxicated, you make bad choices. That's not the case with the police. They were within the scope of their training as far as the restraint as the statutes and the courts give them pretty wide latitude. However, they were behaving like total pricks. Preventing first aid is going to look like malice.
Godstud wrote:It doesn't matter what the fucking toxicology report says. He didn't die from a drug overdose. He died from a pig cop kneeling on his neck.
It's unlikely that you would die if Chauvin did that to you. It's a total prick move, don't get me wrong. However, it wouldn't kill you. Floyd's lungs weighed 2-3x normal due to his long-term fentanyl use. This is the same situation as the Eric Garner situation, EXCEPT that the police prevented the paramedics from rendering first aid and ignored pleas from everyone else who thought Floyd was dying. Garner wasn't a drug addict and Floyd was. However, preventing medical care when it has been plead by the victim, paramedics and bystanders is enough to establish criminal negligence of Chauvin and Thao.
Godstud wrote:You are defending him @Julian658, but I am not surprised. You talk out of the side of your mouth about how the cop should pay and then defend him. make up your racist mind. I know it's hard since the victim was black, for you to even think on his behalf.
Fuck your anti-racist religion crap. It's lies and bullshit to defend your blatant racist assholery.
Who are you to talk? You defend the establishment that puts these cops out on the street, that allows fentanyl to come from China and pour over the Mexican border, rig urban elections so that they are always in control, etc. Then, when your system pulls this kind of shit, you blame it on white people and racism and not the American politicians you champion from over in Thailand for some bizarre reason.
B0ycey wrote:I think we both should agree the knee is what killed him.
Medically speaking, it's not likely that it did. It's likely that Floyd was an OD case, but it's also likely that the paramedics had bronchodilators, oxygen and narcan. Would it have saved Floyd? It did the last time he pulled this stunt. However, when you tell the paramedics to stand down and the person you already have in cuffs dies, you're in big trouble.
B0ycey wrote:Floyd wasn't about to OD and that is the end of the matter.
We'll see what gets admitted into evidence. One of the autopsy reports made public suggests otherwise. His lungs were 2-3x normal weight due to long-term fentanyl use. It can lead to pleural effusion among other things.
Pants-of-dog wrote:So, they automatically defend any cop who assaults a person of colour and end up defending police brutality, despite the obvious drawback this has for everyone regardless of colour.
Police are called to do what they do. They don't just run around willy nilly putting people in hand cuffs and then putting a knee on their necks for some amount of time.
Julian658 wrote:American cops are poorly trained and they have killed both white and black people on a regular basis.
Police training is done according to well-reviewed standards. Training does vary from city to city and state to state, but it's not terrible. The problem is that they do exactly what they are told, and in this situation they are not told to administer first aid to a detainee/arrestee complaining of difficulty breathing, chest pains, etc. The training SHOULD tell them to administer first aid immediately and summon assistance. If the arrestee turns out to be lying, it's another charge. Yes, detainees panic, lie, and will do anything to get out of an arrest, but that does not absolve the police from a duty of care to people in their custody.
Julian658 wrote:The police brutality has lessened over the years, but in an area of social media and where the news media only puts emphasis on racism things appear to be worse.
If you're from South America, you know its 35x as bad down there in places like Rio. There's a police killing of a civilian on average multiple times a day in Rio alone. This does not interest Godstud. He considers that "whataboutism." The reality is he is not interested in police brutality, racism, etc. He's interested in left wing media narratives and is chronically obsessed with the United States.
Julian658 wrote:American cops are trained in such a way that they will return alive to their homes once thew shift is over. That is how they are trained. They will shoot to kill without hesitation, that is the training they have.
Yeah, they are sometimes a bit too trigger happy. Those are often split second decisions and have to be made in view of their own personal safety, but also of the public safety. That's why they are treated to such a wide berth.
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