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Unthinking Majority wrote:I dunno. The US has screwed up relations with no many Latin American countries, it will take a long time to repair.

I just can't see the US letting Russia station troops in Nicaragua, which is on the US's doorstep. They would rather pull a Ukraine in Nicaragua.

Anyways, this is not a good development either way. Putin is going to cause WW3. He's so stupid.


Unthinking, why was there the initial motivation for the proliferation of nuclear arms? Mutual deterence. Not one side has all the power.

The arms race has drained tremdnous amounts of resources, money, time and efforts on making sure other more powerful nations don't invade you. Ukraine gave up its missiles, etc with assurances of peace and so on.

In the end? Albert Einstein needs to be quote for truth. What did that old physicist socialist man say eh?

May 21, 1952. "I made one great mistake in my life, when I signed a letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made." Albert Einstein.


Although he never worked directly on the atomic bomb, Einstein is often incorrectly associated with the advent of nuclear weapons. His famous equation E=mc2 explains the energy released in an atomic bomb but doesn't explain how to build one.

Einstein was a lifelong pacifist and believed that wars stood in the way of human progress. He believed that wars were the result of natural aggressive tendencies found within all organisms and that the aims and causes of war were simply justification for these tendencies.

Socialism. In 1918, Einstein was one of the founding members of the German Democratic Party, a liberal party. However, later in his life, Einstein was in favor of socialism and in opposition to capitalism.

You can be a socialist, a pacifist and a scientist. You can be a Jew and a violinist. You can be many things.

To equate all socialists with warmongering and with authoritarianism is not accurate or fair. But we are living in a world that rarely studies history and if they do? In a cursory fashion. And without much analysis.

War is indeed an impediment to human progress. And it should be avoided at all costs.

Intervening unless it is a Rwandan genocide situation is wrong. However? If you intervene with the sole purpose of wanting to preserve human life and restore justice and democracy and are truly thinking that the nations you intervene in are your equals and deserving of respect and aid without strings attached or manipulations and deceptions? In the end, you will win them over.
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Potemkin wrote:Not bad at all, @Tainari88 - only three hours to go before I officially wake up. Lol. ;)

I’ve read Prescott’s book (which is very well written but incredibly dated), and a modern book on Cortez (whose author I forget) but not yet Bernal Diaz’ memoir. It’s been on my ‘to do’ list for a couple of decades. Maybe now’s the time, eh? ;)

But historical progress is often painful and, in its immediate workings, brutal and unjust. Very often, human blood is the oil which lubricates the engine of history. This brutality and injustice leads to internal contradictions in the ‘new world’ which has been created, which in turn leads to further conflict and change, which leads to more suffering and brutality, and so on. But slowly, little by little, step by step, progress is being made….


Human blood is the oil? Well the oil was dinosaur blood.

In fact the meteor that caused the mass extinction of the dinosaurs is within a short driving distance from Merida. You know the name of the town eh Potemkin?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

Chicxulub Yucatan. Where the meteor hit the Earth. Imagine Putin thinking he has the world by the balls? And then we don't know and another meteor as big as ten kilometers hits Russia. And we are all kaput? The human ego is making plans...and as we say in Spanish, [El hombre propone y Dios dispone] Man proposes and God disposes.

@Potemkin what does that town's name mean in Mayan? This, The Devil's Flea. Yes indeed. The Devil's Flea the name in Mayan where the meteor hit the Earth and caused an extinction event millions of years ago.

I would say human beings in the grand scheme of things are indeed fleas Potemkin. :lol:
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Tainari88 wrote:Unthinking, why was there the initial motivation for the proliferation of nuclear arms? Mutual deterence. Not one side has all the power.

The arms race has drained tremdnous amounts of resources, money, time and efforts on making sure other more powerful nations don't invade you. Ukraine gave up its missiles, etc with assurances of peace and so on.

In the end? Albert Einstein needs to be quote for truth. What did that old physicist socialist man say eh?

May 21, 1952. "I made one great mistake in my life, when I signed a letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made." Albert Einstein.


Although he never worked directly on the atomic bomb, Einstein is often incorrectly associated with the advent of nuclear weapons. His famous equation E=mc2 explains the energy released in an atomic bomb but doesn't explain how to build one.

Einstein was a lifelong pacifist and believed that wars stood in the way of human progress. He believed that wars were the result of natural aggressive tendencies found within all organisms and that the aims and causes of war were simply justification for these tendencies.

Socialism. In 1918, Einstein was one of the founding members of the German Democratic Party, a liberal party. However, later in his life, Einstein was in favor of socialism and in opposition to capitalism.

You can be a socialist, a pacifist and a scientist. You can be a Jew and a violinist. You can be many things.

To equate all socialists with warmongering and with authoritarianism is not accurate or fair. But we are living in a world that rarely studies history and if they do? In a cursory fashion. And without much analysis.

War is indeed an impediment to human progress. And it should be avoided at all costs.

Intervening unless it is a Rwandan genocide situation is wrong. However? If you intervene with the sole purpose of wanting to preserve human life and restore justice and democracy and are truly thinking that the nations you intervene in are your equals and deserving of respect and aid without strings attached or manipulations and deceptions? In the end, you will win them over.

I would love more than anything to live in a world with no guns or nuclear weapons. I am a peace-loving human being. Unfortunately we don't live in that world. In a world where many self-interested people/leaders exist who wouldn't hesitate to kill you in order to acquire what you have if they could get away with it, there is no room in the world for pacifists, they will be murdered and their possessions stolen. Gandhi and MLK are 2 leaders I admire. But they were both shot to death. Jesus was nailed to a cross. Being hopeful and peace-loving is great, but being naive and overly idealistic will get you killed by those who aren't. The world isn't a fairy tale of happy endings it's more like Game of Thrones, it's filled with plots of violence and greed.

Einstein did the right thing and should not have regretted it. If the US did not develop nukes the Germans or Soviets or Maoists would have. Living in a world where dictators have hegemony over nuclear weapons is not a world I wish to live in. Those who are too mild-mannered to make the tough decisions need to move out of the way. Jimmy Carter was a nice man, but not a strong enough leader. Sometimes you need a Churchill or a Reagan to get shit done when staring down the barrel of a gun.

You can be a good-hearted human being while at the same time not being timid and weak. FDR is an example. These people are increasingly rare, they are my heroes.
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Rancid wrote:
I'm not saying that US intervention is good. I've already stated that the US shouldn't play Russia's dumb shit stuck in the past game with Nicaragua earlier (especially given that Russia's trajectory is to grow weaker). The point here is that the moron that posted the map is a moron.


Oh, my dear rabid friend, what an epiphany came from your brain!!

Don't tell me you realized US interventions are not good? Are they bad? Or just meh meh something in between?
You don't like arguing about reputation of the USA and NATO, but you like number of victims of low-lives who deserved to be wiped-out by righteous bully from Washington DC?
It was "just" 20-30 millions...

The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.


Bloody Putin and Russia, those bastards, small scale murderers challenging your reputation of the World's mass murderer No.1...but, be assured - he would need 45 years of constant invasion on 150+ members of UN to even get closer to your remarkable results.
Sleep tight, my rabid friend - your Factory of Death will stay untouchable in next few centuries 8)

Look, here is the more informative map of your protections against Vandals in Latin America:

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Unthinking Majority wrote:I would love more than anything to live in a world with no guns or nuclear weapons. I am a peace-loving human being. Unfortunately we don't live in that world. In a world where many self-interested people/leaders exist who wouldn't hesitate to kill you in order to acquire what you have if they could get away with it, there is no room in the world for pacifists, they will be murdered and their possessions stolen. Gandhi and MLK are 2 leaders I admire. But they were both shot to death. Jesus was nailed to a cross. Being hopeful and peace-loving is great, but being naive and overly idealistic will get you killed by those who aren't. The world isn't a fairy tale of happy endings it's more like Game of Thrones, it's filled with plots of violence and greed.

Einstein did the right thing and should not have regretted it. If the US did not develop nukes the Germans or Soviets or Maoists would have. Living in a world where dictators have hegemony over nuclear weapons is not a world I wish to live in. Those who are too mild-mannered to make the tough decisions need to move out of the way. Jimmy Carter was a nice man, but not a strong enough leader. Sometimes you need a Churchill or a Reagan to get shit done when staring down the barrel of a gun.

You can be a good-hearted human being while at the same time not being timid and weak. FDR is an example. These people are increasingly rare, they are my heroes.


What are the legacies of the MLK Jr and the Einstein and the FDR and the ones you do admire like Ghandi? Yes they were killed and one died in office and the other one of natural causes. But they left behind their ideas, their way of thinking and many people have found independence, freedom, peace and more human rights after they were here.

You can't be hopeless. I learned my lesson in 2011 to never be hopeless. That just when you think it is hopeless is when the hope shines through. So many reasons to be despondent and unhappy Unthinking. But what I learned darling is that you all the goodwill in the world outweighs the bad. It does. The majority of humans in every nation in the world are good people. They get up everyday and struggle on, they take care of their kids, and parents that are old, they worry about the future, and they become very important reasons of why there is social cohesion in many human societies Unthinking.

I had so many reasons to believe like you do now. I don't anymore. Hope is real. it is there. You got to take control of what you can do to make yourself be better and do better! You take that step forward and the universe with all its power will take two steps for you to help you out. This is the truth....

Keep that hope always darling. Always.

Joy and happiness and victory is on the other side of that long struggle. Even if you don't make it. Even though you died and never saw the light. You remember that famous speech MLK Jr gave...Because I have been to the mountaintop and my eyes have seen the glory of the Lord....I might not get there with you....

He was talking about HOPE.
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Unthinking Majority wrote:Anyways, this is not a good development either way. Putin is going to cause WW3. He's so stupid.


That's wicked not stupid.

Admittedly if I were him I would do the same. If I were to be killed at least bring the whole world down.
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Godstud wrote:You're a psychopath. Get help if that's how you think.


Anyone in Putin's place would be a psychopath. He intentionally brought himself into this situation though. I have neither the intention nor ability to pull that off.

P. S. I found you too fond of going ultra-personal on others when they say something disagreeable, even if it's just their prediction on a third party.
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Godstud wrote:You said what you would do. I based it on that. You chose to make it "ultrapersonal".

In his position I would NOT do that. I would do the opposite and try to leave a good legacy.


His position now, which means after he did all those oppression and started this war.
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Tainari88 wrote:A lot of problems in international interest relationships can be avoided by simply letting go of unrealistic expectations. Such as the USA trying to control all of Latin America and the Caribbean or Russia trying to control Ukraine, Romania, Estonia, Latvia,Lithuania,Finland, etc. Let it go.

Russia DID let them go.

But then - in 2004 - the USA usurpled Ukraine and overthrew its government, replacing it with a Nazi-friendly one.
This is not, in any way, comparable to Nicaragua getting Russia to train its troops.

If Russia were to overthrow the Nicaragua government and replace it with Russian oligarch-friendly Nazis... then you could make this analogy.

It might be necessary for Russia and China to gather a large coallition together to finally put a stake through the heart of colonialism.

Rancid wrote:The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

Yes, the US army killed that number of people to help colonialism. And most of the soliders don't even realize that this is what they did.
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QatzelOk wrote:It might be necessary for Russia and China to gather a large coallition together to finally put a stake through the heart of colonialism.


Colonialism is way better than having two dictatorial totalitarian shitholes get their ways. Be careful of what you wish.
#15233619
Patrickov wrote:Colonialism is way better than ...

For your next quote, start with "Slavery is way better than..."

Or "Being tied to a wall is better than...."

Talk about low self esteem. Can't humans expect more than colonialism, slavery, and being tied to walls?
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QatzelOk wrote:Talk about low self esteem. Can't humans expect more than colonialism, slavery, and being tied to walls?


Are you not aware that Russia and China are much more keen on tying people to the wall than the West is now?

Or maybe you have struck a deal with Russia or China and that you will actually benefit as the likes of me are being tied to the wall?
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Patrickov wrote:Are you not aware that Russia and China are much more keen on tying people to the wall than the West is now?

Or maybe you have struck a deal with Russia or China and that you will actually benefit as the likes of me are being tied to the wall?

You started a sentence with "colonialism is better than..." in order to defend certain nations being submitted to the domination by other entities of a larger scale.

Now you are suggesting that the world is full of evil, and that the "good guys" (which always includes yourself!) need to be "even more evil" in order to triumph.

If you can't see the self-defeating and amoral nature of your arguments... you need to re-read your own posts more slowly.

Also:

Patrick Lawrence wrote:Latin American leaders, including rightists such as Bolsonaro, are emphatically not on for Cold War II. They’re rejecting the Biden administration’s framing of our moment as a war between democrats and authoritarians.

Most immediately, they stand with the global majority in refusing to side with the U.S. and NATO in the proxy war against Russia they provoked via the filthily corrupt regime in Ukraine.
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QatzelOk wrote:You started a sentence


He replied to your "China & Russia should band together to overthrow western colonialism".

I highly doubt you will find a single honest person(not even your own self) who believes that Russian and/or Chinese colonialism is preferable to western "colonialism".

Ukrainians are being murdered as we speak because they find being in the EU(which can not really be called 'colonialism') as far better than being under Putin's fascist regime.
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noemon wrote:He replied to your "China & Russia should band together to overthrow western colonialism".

I highly doubt you will find a single honest person(not even your own self) who believes that Russian and/or Chinese colonialism is preferable to western "colonialism".

Ukrainians are being murdered as we speak because they find being in the EU(which can not really be called 'colonialism') as far better than being under Putin's fascist regime.


Actually I think Russia and China are totalitarian dictatorships which treat their own people worse than how the West treat the indigenous people in their colonies, at least in their later years.

I actually experienced both. QatzelOk experienced at most one.
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