[Tainari88]

The Queen has died and she died peacefully in her sleep. Many millions die in anonimity and no one cares but the class conscious stuff continues in the UK. Why are these royals so important? Can someone explain why this is important?

I think monarchies are very archaic and not only that keep the myth of class alive.

https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-dead/

[Godstud]

RIP Queen Elizabeth.

Monarchies remain, in many cases, a check and balance within modern democracies, and so DO have a purpose, even if it was different from the original one. It has nothing to do with "class".

It's a very complex thing:
How Our Canadian Monarchy Works Within the Constitution
https://www.monarchist.ca/index.php/stu ... rchy-works

[Rancid]

I don't understand what the role of the Queen/King is.

[Godstud]

Read what I posted, @Rancid.




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[MistyTiger]

Monarchs are figureheads. It's silly. Parliament and the Prime Minister have more power.

I was hoping she would live longer.

I never liked prince Charles.

[Godstud]

At a glance, they are figureheads, but they serve a purpose in government. Read what I posted. It explains it better than I can.

Charles isn't very likeable, so it's not surprising that most people don't like him.

[Igor Antunov]

I haven't used coins in years, I assume charles's mug will be on Australian coins from now on. That is the extent of the British monarchy's purpose in this country. To have their heads on coins nobody uses.

[MadMonk]

I don't understand what the role of the Queen/King is.

Ceremonies and events. Keep them in the spotlight while the Prime Minister gets to run the country. The American way of a combined head of state and head of government is far more dangerous, in my opinion.

Most monarchies in history have sucked badly, of course. I'm just not sure that constitutional monarchies such as Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the U.K. are worse than Republics.

[KhawarezmLLC]

I don't understand what the role of the Queen/King is.

If any thing, they symbolize the ability of humans to reign if enough resources are made available.

[Saeko]

[Rich]

Monarchs are figureheads. It's silly. Parliament and the Prime Minister have more power.

I was hoping she would live longer.

I never liked prince Charles.

Well I don't see why she can't live on, at least an AI version of her. Maybe AI can't be trusted to drive completely autonomous vehicles yet, but I think it could be given a chance to deliver the Queens Christmas message, especially as its recorded ahead of time. I always thought mimicking the Queen would be a good candidate for passing the Turing test.

The Queen very much reminded me of the German civilian population at the end of World War II, loyally, diligently, punctually and dutifully turning up for work, but not actually doing anything. For many people I don't think this is going to be as psychologically traumatic as the death of John Lennon.

[Tainari88]

Well I don't see why she can't live on, at least an AI version of her. Maybe AI can't be trusted to drive completely autonomous vehicles yet, but I think it could be given a chance to deliver the Queens Christmas message, especially as its recorded ahead of time. I always thought mimicking the Queen would be a good candidate for passing the Turing test.

The Queen very much reminded me of the German civilian population at the end of World War II, loyally, diligently, punctually and dutifully turning up for work, but not actually doing anything. For many people I don't think this is going to be as psychologically traumatic as the death of John Lennon.

I got to laugh! You make me laugh so hard with this commentary Rich! A robot of the Queen delivering the Christmas message. Ave Maria !

[Politics_Observer]

@Tainari88

The Queen has died and she died peacefully in her sleep. Many millions die in anonimity and no one cares but the class conscious stuff continues in the UK. Why are these royals so important? Can someone explain why this is important?

I think monarchies are very archaic and not only that keep the myth of class alive.

Class is no myth, it's a reality. There will always be rich and poor no matter what kind of economic system you devise. Capitalism will always be there. I remember talking to a Ukrainian friend of mine. He is an older fellow, older than myself and I am 45 years old. He said during Soviet times, the political system outlawed private property and capitalism. Yet, capitalism still existed. It was illegal, but people then in turn engaged in capitalism which was considered an illegal activity.

Of course, the entrepreneurs during the Soviet times, who had to exist, couldn't be destroyed or legislated out of existence, they will still paid taxes, but those taxes were in the form of bribes to Soviet authorities. Yet, none of those bribes ended up in the Soviet treasury. It was a system, that didn't work. And thus, the Soviet system ultimately collapsed.

And, they had rich and poor in the Soviet Union. Most of the rich in the Soviet Union were the corrupt Soviet authorities who collected bribes from the productive illegal capitalist entrepreneurs that existed in the Soviet Union. So, there will always be classes and always be rich and poor.

[Tainari88]

RIP Queen Elizabeth.

Monarchies remain, in many cases, a check and balance within modern democracies, and so DO have a purpose, even if it was different from the original one. It has nothing to do with "class".

It's a very complex thing:
How Our Canadian Monarchy Works Within the Constitution
https://www.monarchist.ca/index.php/stu ... rchy-works

I read the article. I think ridding the world of monarchy is the best thing to do. Monarchies especially the one in England are very much about upper-class connections being referees in political affairs. For me as a socialist @Godstud Godstud, the only purpose of a democracy is to obey the voters. And since most voters are average working-class people who must work for a living within capitalism or socialism? There is no place for ruling class inherited wealth privileged people to be able to decide what is fair or not for others. I hate imperialism with a passion. So by default, a country that has colonies is evil to the core in my book. It will always be so. Patronizing claims of we rule these nations in Africa, Latin America, Asia, and so on because we are going to help them become civilized is for the uninformed, ignorant of history, and the ones who believe in class consciousness. For me? It is all a lie to keep control of the working people in many nations. And if you believe in democracy? You should believe in allowing the majority of a nation's adult population to make the election without some monarch from a failed system of inherited power be the referee of a damn thing.

You had in the past with monarchies Godstud, good kings and bad kings, good queens, and bad queens, killings for power and the crown, etc. In the end, it is a very bad plan for leadership. The upper class tends to be ego ridden because they are raised to be duty-bound, stoic, and also have everything done for them and never experience true poverty and hardship with economic limitations placed on them. They do not really understand the importance of economic security for the vast pools of working people in the world. They don't have a clue about it really. So in democracies full of working people with one man or one woman and one vote? They are out of touch.

[litwin]

The Queen has died and she died peacefully in her sleep. ....
https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-dead/

My sincere condolences to all the Brits here and everywhere.

mASKAL PIGS ARE VERY HAPPY OF ´COS

[Godstud]

@Tainari88 Monarchies, in Constitutional Monarchies, are a check and balance and no longer serve the same purpose as they once did. It is every bit as efficient as a Republic, like the USA. In some ways, it's better.

There's a good saying a friend told me, regarding this, today:

'If it isn't broken, don't fix it.'

[Politics_Observer]

@Tainari88

Tainari88, I couldn't help but notice that you ignored my post that contained some FACTS that logically add up. Why on Earth would you ignore my post? Does it go against the CASTRO regime's communist ideology or something?

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88



Class is no myth, it's a reality. There will always be rich and poor no matter what kind of economic system you devise. Capitalism will always be there. I remember talking to a Ukrainian friend of mine. He is an older fellow, older than myself and I am 45 years old. He said during Soviet times, the political system outlawed private property and capitalism. Yet, capitalism still existed. It was illegal, but people then in turn engaged in capitalism which was considered an illegal activity.

Of course, the entrepreneurs during the Soviet times, who had to exist, couldn't be destroyed or legislated out of existence, they will still paid taxes, but those taxes were in the form of bribes to Soviet authorities. Yet, none of those bribes ended up in the Soviet treasury. It was a system, that didn't work. And thus, the Soviet system ultimately collapsed.

And, they had rich and poor in the Soviet Union. Most of the rich in the Soviet Union were the corrupt Soviet authorities who collected bribes from the productive illegal capitalist entrepreneurs that existed in the Soviet Union. So, there will always be classes and always be rich and poor.

I don't believe that at all PO. The slaves in the times before capitalism all were told that there would always be slavery. That the system is eternal and unchangeable. That was untrue. Capitalism replaced feudalism and serfdom and chattel slavery. Capitalism is not eternal and being poor is not permanent. People get an education and learn skills that are relevant for a market, and then poverty is extinguished. Cooperative sharing of all shares and profits in equal distributions works as well. It is not a capitalism-only model.

So I disagree that capitalism is eternal Politics. Class systems in general are inefficient and waste human potential and human capital very very spectacularly. A person who is given an education, and the ability to be part of a shared enterprise can have a very secure life. The problem is that people think as you do. That capitalism is eternal and rich and poor will always exist. There will come a time when the earth is too hot, the resources are too strained and the inequality is too acute to hold on to profit only and rich only living well is the norm. It will change. I can guarantee you that. Human beings are good at discarding bad systems that no longer serve what the environment dictates has to happen. And capitalism sucks. That is my view.

[Rich]

@Tainari88 Monarchies, in Constitutional Monarchies, are a check and balance and no longer serve the same purpose as they once did. It is every bit as efficient as a Republic, like the USA. In some ways, it's better.

There's a good saying a friend told me, regarding this, today:

'If it isn't broken, don't fix it.'

Well that's if you have a soft spot for fascism. You seem happy in a country where the monarchy has deeply fascistic tendencies. It was the checks and balances of the monarchy as you so humorously call them, that allowed Mussolini to over throw democracy in Italy and take power. The Queen Mother and Lord Mountbatten were agitating for a coup in the 60s and 70's. Arguably we did have a kind of soft coup in Britain when Wilson was forced to resign.

The British Royal family have had deep fascist tendencies. We saw this with Edward VIII and with Queen's Heil Hitler salute when she was a girl. However on becoming Queen, the Queen effectively abandoned her remaining constitutional powers, slavishly following the Prime Minister's advice. It was amusing to watch the pathetic fantasies of the liberals that the Queen would intervene and refuse to prorogue parliament. No at least under Elizabeth II, Britain was a Constitutional Monarchy in name only and the Prime Minister is in actuality head of State in all but name.

The only constitutional checks and balances came from the courts and some distinctly unconstitutional ones from MI5 and the Army command. You will be familiar with these sorts of checks and balances from the deep state living in Thailand.

[Politics_Observer]

@Tainari88

But the fact remains that people have tried such a system that you envision and it didn't work. Moreover, it did not get rid of capitalism at all. The fact of the matter remains is that people are self interested. Sure, people will help each other out occasional, but hard work has to be rewarded to give people the incentive to work hard. It's no fun to work hard and not be rewarded for it. Your system fails to reward hard work and as such as why systems like the Soviet Union collapsed. Just ask the people who have lived under such a system and they will tell you the reality. The government of the Soviet Union did make good faith efforts to implement such a system you envisioned and it didn't work. Capitalism remained in such a system, it was just illegal but couldn't be legislated out of existence.