[wat0n]

He was born in Colombia. So what would he be considered in Colombia if he had always lived there? White? Latino? Or just Colombian?

Among Colombians? I suspect he'd be considered White.

[Rancid]

I always wonder about how class is so intricately coupled into race within the general cultural outlook (at least in the west). Few actually realize this. What I mean is that for example, you have Beren basically saying, I'm not Latino, because I've found success (i.e. have moved upward on the economic ladder). Like... brown people can't possibly be successful, so they must be "mentally white" if they are. This is like this weird low grade leftist racism shit you see on social meeting.

This creates a cultural outlook where basically non-white people are forbidden from becoming middle-class, because they are successful, then all of a sudden they are white now (when they're not). Why is economics coupled in with this concept of race? Why do so many accept this?

I don't know, there's something here that's not making sense from this outlook. There is this weird coupling of class and race that is ridiculous.

[Beren]

Beren basically saying I'm not Latino, because I've found success

If we accept such simplifications, then I rather say the opposite (vice versa) actually.

[Deutschmania]

For me the UK is stuck with that monarchy because to abolish it would mean that all that Royal title stuff was a mistake. You can't deny that the reason for workhouses and so on in England was to shame the poor for being poor. because the truth is that the Royal are there because they are special people. They got blueblood from so many centuries of inbreeding and incest between kissing cousins trying to keep the money and privileges strictly within the family.

This may hold true for the prior born royals and higher nobles. However for the latter born descendants of the royal families of Europe, whose bloodlines have tricked down into the gentry, and even clear into the working class, this has not held true. Capitalism has had a relatively leveling impact. Not as radically equalizing as with socialism, yet still more so than under the much more static social hierarchy of feudalism. My own lineage , as I have found out from researching my family tree , testifies to this. I am descended in part from various branches of European royalty , including such countries as Spain, and even Byzantine Greece , but also from different interrelated rabbinical families, Sephardic as well as Ashkenazic . Not to mention all the commoners. So then, rhetorically asking, what then is my heritage? Do I for instance count as being Hispanic, simply because a number of my ancestors were originally from Spain , as it turns out? Or is a deeper connection to culture and community required over a shared ethnicity, however distant?

[MistyTiger]

@MistyTiger

But then if this lawsuit reaches the Supreme Court, in order for the justices to remain consistent and to have their past rulings to remain legitimate, given their current ruling on affirmative action, they will now have no choice but to get rid of legacy admissions. Otherwise, their most recent ruling on affirmative action really isn't legitimate and will be seen as trying to maintain unjust excessive power and privilege to the predominantly white wealthy who benefit from legacy admissions. This would not serve the interests of justice or law.

The courts would then become merely just an instrument of power and ensuring that those who have power, keep their power and that it is no longer an instrument of justice or law. The court will no longer be seen as legitimate, because of inconsistent rulings that do not serve the best interests of justice. Rather, they would only serve the interests of one thing and one thing only: POWER. Even if it goes against, and contradicts, the best interests of justice.

The court rulings can always be used for gain. But the court is one of the legal branches in the US government so it will always be viewed as legitimate.

It will be interesting to see if this case goes to the Supreme court. We'll just have to wait and see.

[wat0n]

I always wonder about how class is so intricately coupled into race within the general cultural outlook (at least in the west). Few actually realize this. What I mean is that for example, you have Beren basically saying, I'm not Latino, because I've found success (i.e. have moved upward on the economic ladder). Like... brown people can't possibly be successful, so they must be "mentally white" if they are. This is like this weird low grade leftist racism shit you see on social meeting.

This creates a cultural outlook where basically non-white people are forbidden from becoming middle-class, because they are successful, then all of a sudden they are white now (when they're not). Why is economics coupled in with this concept of race? Why do so many accept this?

I don't know, there's something here that's not making sense from this outlook. There is this weird coupling of class and race that is ridiculous.

This is also behind the "whitening" of the current cohort of Asians who have been applying to college for the last few years, as it turns out many are OK with openly racist stereotyping against them because they're seen as being mentally white. Since they're white, they are privileged and gotta make room for underprivileged kids who are often of the same social class but of a different race who're competing for a spot.

This idea isn't new at all:

[Pants-of-dog]

I always wonder about how class is so intricately coupled into race within the general cultural outlook (at least in the west). Few actually realize this. What I mean is that for example, you have Beren basically saying, I'm not Latino, because I've found success (i.e. have moved upward on the economic ladder). Like... brown people can't possibly be successful, so they must be "mentally white" if they are. This is like this weird low grade leftist racism shit you see on social meeting.

This creates a cultural outlook where basically non-white people are forbidden from becoming middle-class, because they are successful, then all of a sudden they are white now (when they're not). Why is economics coupled in with this concept of race? Why do so many accept this?

I don't know, there's something here that's not making sense from this outlook. There is this weird coupling of class and race that is ridiculous.

This may seem like low grade leftist stuff, and some leftists do this: assume that anyone who is not poor is no longer part of the in-group.

But this is also a general culture thing. It is why cops stop Black people who drive nice cars, for example.

And this is why my mother taught me to be extremely polite and clearly well read: because it contradicts the stereotype that North Americans have about Latinos being lazy and uneducated and may make the gringo forget that I am Latino. I would not be surprised if you have similar experiences.