[JohnRawls]

And why would the Western governments care for that? It's not like they care for Africans. They don't even care about the majority in their own states.

Still, we don't go by 'what ifs' in my world. We go by what is.

Why should the West care that much for other government problems? We do business and trade and with that spreads our model that is about it if the country is worthwhile. If you have decent rule of law then we provide huge amounts of investment for any sort of business in the country. Call that exploitation if you want but it is what it is.

On the other hand I am not sure that anybody else replacing Western influence will start fixing problems for African countries. Nobody is gonna beat corruption for you if you don't do it yourself and so on.

[skinster]

Why should the West care that much for other government problems? We do business and trade and with that spreads our model that is about it if the country is worthwhile. If you have decent rule of law then we provide huge amounts of investment for any sort of business in the country. Call that exploitation if you want but it is what it is.

It is exploitation. There are ways to do trade without exploitation, where you respect those who you are dealing with. You know, how the Chinese and Russians behave in African countries.

When you don't respect the people and continue to exploit them with no end in sight, sooner or later that's going to backfire. As you can see in the last week and before then elsewhere.

On the other hand I am not sure that anybody else replacing Western influence will start fixing problems for African countries. Nobody is gonna beat corruption for you if you don't do it yourself and so on.

It is not Western influence, it is Western exploitation. People don't like to be exploited. Wild I have to say this to you, but here we are.

[Beren]

Why should the West care that much for other government problems?

Because they'll be their problems sooner or later as well. Problems of Africa or the Middle East will be Europe's problems sooner or later as problems of Latin America will be US problems sooner or later. It's easy to understand that if West Africa gets fucked up, the EU will have a problem, so they tried to prevent that. But their efforts are being jeopardised now because it's also true that if Russia has a problem, we also have a problem, and Russia has a problem with the West and Ukraine.

[skinster]

^ West Africa is already fucked up by Western exploitation.

This is what the people who live there are revolting against.

And as said before, since refugees are concerned, if they don't get exploited in these countries, by war or otherwise, they will stay at home.

Tl;dr - Go Home, Yankee.

[JohnRawls]

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1686791976174186497?s=20



It is exploitation. There are ways to do trade without exploitation, where you respect those who you are dealing with. You know, how the Chinese and Russians behave in African countries.

When you don't respect the people and continue to exploit them with no end in sight, sooner or later that's going to backfire. As you can see in the last week and before then elsewhere.



It is not Western influence, it is Western exploitation. People don't like to be exploited. Wild I have to say this to you, but here we are.

How are what West is doing exploitation and China/Russia not then? Russia sends Wagner and takes over mines and other resource extraction with half profits going to them for "protection". China provides loans and takes away the infrastructure when/if the countries can't repay.

And I am not sure that their model offers anything better in the regard that if you take Chinese or Russian government and put it to Africa that it will work better than the Western model does.

So in a sense careful of what you wish for.

[JohnRawls]

Because they'll be their problems sooner or later as well. Problems of Africa or the Middle East will be Europe's problems sooner or later as problems of Latin America will be US problems sooner or later. It's easy to understand that if West Africa gets fucked up, the EU will have a problem, so they tried to prevent that. But their efforts are being jeopardised now because it's also true that if Russia has a problem, we also have a problem, and Russia has a problem with the West and Ukraine.

That can be said about any to any country relation if its even remotely close.

[skinster]

It's not my wish, it's the wishes of the people who live there, and I support them.

Stop projecting savage Western behaviour on other countries. If it were true, the aforementioned Africans would be telling Russia and China to fuck off as well. Clearly that isn't happening..

[JohnRawls]

It's not my wish, it's the wishes of the people who live there, and I support them.

Stop projecting savage Western behaviour on other countries. If it were true, the aforementioned Africans would be telling Russia and China to fuck off as well. Clearly that isn't happening..

How is a coup and suppression of demonstration by the military will of the people. You are kinda making no sense here.

[skinster]

It's a national coup (by the people of the country) against those installed by the imperialists (those from outside who are exploiting the country).

Not all coups are bad.

[JohnRawls]

It's a national coup (by the people of the country) against those installed by the imperialists (those from outside who are exploiting the country).

Not all coups are bad.

Right.

[Beren]

That can be said about any to any country relation if its even remotely close.

Exactly, it can, and it also can be said that the whole world is interconnected so much so that anyone's problem will be everyone's problem sooner or later basically, so we all should be partners actually.

So however the situation in Ukraine is, it may be just time for trying to find a solution there. It could solve the Putin problem either perhaps, which could also solve the Trump problem.

[Unthinking Majority]

And why would the Western governments care for that? It's not like they care for Africans. They don't even care about the majority in their own states.

Still, we don't go by 'what ifs' in my world. We go by what is.

What is your evidence that China or Russia "care" more about Africans? Do you really think China/Russia are not greasing the palms of corrupt officials or underhandedly influencing their elections or supporting friendly politicians in order to pass projects and policies that are in China/Russia's favour just like they do to Western governments, and just like Western governments do in Africa? This also assumes African politicians care about what's best for their own people rather than what's best for their own wealth and power.

[skinster]

What is your evidence that China or Russia "care" more about Africans?

Africans speak highly of them, carry their flags etc.

What is your evidence these countries don't care about Africans?

This also assumes African politicians care about what's best for their own people rather than what's best for their own wealth and power.

This is a common problem for people in the West; they simply cannot see that there are people who are into mutual respect and care on a long-term level for the future of our species. Westerners just project the centuries-long exploitative behaviour on others, including on those previously exploited by Westerners too, such as Russia and China. But not everyone in the world is so savage..

[Unthinking Majority]

This is a common problem for people in the West; they simply cannot see that there are people who are into mutual respect and care on a long-term level for the future of our species. Westerners just project the centuries-long exploitative behaviour on others, including on those previously exploited by Westerners too, such as Russia and China. But not everyone in the world is so savage..

Do you know anything about African politics? The leaders aren't exactly Gandhi LOL. Xi and Putin aren't either. Russia's been screwing up African countries for several decades supporting coups and everything else of the sort that favored them. China's leadership is kinder than the Dalai Lama himself!...who they've exiled to India for like 50 years because people like him and they see him as a threat to their power and influence. Putin goes around murdering his political enemies like a gangster. You live in fantasy land.

[skinster]

It is you who clearly lives in fantasy land, brought to you by the billionaire press, judging by some of those comments.

The Dalai Lama is a longtime CIA asset, since the 1960s.

Back on topic:

On this day in 1960, after decades of colonial crimes by France, Niger gained its formal independence from its colonial master, however did not shake off France’s neo-colonial grip.

Among France’s crimes in Niger, Paul Voulet, the French commander in 1899, is believed to have killed tens of thousands of Nigeriens as he sought to take control of Lake Chad for France, before the British arrived. Niger's main highway follows the exact route of his massacres. It created the colonial and still current border with Nigeria.

After Niger gained independence, French influence over the country’s politics remained strong. Niger’s leaders supported France against Algeria during Algeria’s War of Independence, and successive leaders did nothing to stop France exploiting the country’s gold and uranium reserves. While France’s nuclear reactors are fuelled by Niger’s uranium, 63 years after Niger’s independence, only 20% of Nigeriens have access to electricity.

Despite Niger having the largest uranium reserves in Africa, with uranium accounting for 70% of exports, uranium exports only counted for 5% of GDP in the previous decade-a clear indicator of the profits going to French mining corporations.

With the new military regime in Niger banning exports of uranium and gold to France and allying with other former French colonies in the Sahel to finally shake off French neocolonialism, will this mark a turning point in the fortunes for Niger’s citizens?
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[skinster]

The people in Niger want the French (and U.S.) out of their country.

[JohnRawls]

It is you who clearly lives in fantasy land, brought to you by the billionaire press, judging by some of those comments.

The Dalai Lama is a longtime CIA asset, since the 1960s.

Back on topic:

I am not sure EFF or Malema have the right to speak on literally anything after this:

[Rancid]

It is you who clearly lives in fantasy land

No, pretty sure it's you.

[Skynet]

Giorgia Meloni's opinion:

[Political Interest]

The French are useless in Africa. They keep them using the Central African Franc which is basically monopoly money and it's tied to the French reserve. They have an exploitative relationship with their former colonies and want to keep them within their little French sphere of influence. Even the UK does not have such a strong influence in its former empire. France is notorious for sending people across Calais into the UK as well.