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Potemkin wrote:I’m still pretty sure Elon Musk is autistic. There’s really no other explanation. :eh:


Either that or he did admit to having asperger autismus.

It is interesting that a person with so many power influences over the techno worship society is a flawed human with a serious issue. Human beings are defined by their flawed natures. All this hero worship as if these super wealthy people with power are supposed to be what? Political leaders? They should not be political leaders.

Political leaders should be about good political policy and social skills, and diplomatic skills. Good speech and great communicators does not hurt. Also people who are good at fulfilling their agendas. Realistic leadership. Hard workers with good characters. That is the ideal politician for sure. Are there a lot of those? No.

Part of the reason is that the current climate for politics is toxic. You got people wanting a person who does not make any real mistakes in life. That is unrealistic. They also accept people being selfish and sellouts. Not realistic to accept sellouts and selfish people and expect decent political results.

Most good people with good characters have a lot of options in life. And they give up easily. Never be a quitter if you want to do something meaningful in your life. Quitting is done by many when they realize the initial goal is not easy to achieve.

Execution is the key always. Execute. Do not just have a great idea and plan. Follow through. Execute the plan. Till you reach the goal.

If you do? You are a successful politician.
#15287343
Wtf.

Nobody has ever voted for Musk into any official position. And as far as I know, he has also never run for any office, either, so nobody ever had the chance to vote for him anyway.

Thus it is a non-issue to the public if he has any personal issues. You find him "annoying" ? Then ignore any articles about him. There. Done.

Starlink is given Ukraine for free. If Elon Musk applies random conditions to the offer, thats his perogative. As a citizen of the USA, Musk has no obligation to help Ukraine at all.

There is no universally agreed upon definition of treason, however the USA for obvious historical reasons has an especially strict and narrow definition of the term.
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Tainari88 wrote:Either that or he did admit to having asperger autismus.

It is interesting that a person with so many power influences over the techno worship society is a flawed human with a serious issue. Human beings are defined by their flawed natures. All this hero worship as if these super wealthy people with power are supposed to be what? Political leaders? They should not be political leaders.

Political leaders should be about good political policy and social skills, and diplomatic skills. Good speech and great communicators does not hurt. Also people who are good at fulfilling their agendas. Realistic leadership. Hard workers with good characters. That is the ideal politician for sure. Are there a lot of those? No.

Part of the reason is that the current climate for politics is toxic. You got people wanting a person who does not make any real mistakes in life. That is unrealistic. They also accept people being selfish and sellouts. Not realistic to accept sellouts and selfish people and expect decent political results.

Most good people with good characters have a lot of options in life. And they give up easily. Never be a quitter if you want to do something meaningful in your life. Quitting is done by many when they realize the initial goal is not easy to achieve.

Execution is the key always. Execute. Do not just have a great idea and plan. Follow through. Execute the plan. Till you reach the goal.

If you do? You are a successful politician.

Elon Musk likes to think he saved us from Armageddon. He’s just brought it closer | Timothy Snyder

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Timothy Snyder thinks he said something smart but he just proved himself to be a propaganda mouthpiece.


Musk did so because Russians (sometimes he says Putin) told him that a Ukrainian attack on part of Ukraine’s own territory (the Crimean peninsula, occupied by Russia) would lead to a Russian nuclear response. This was a lie. Ukraine has carried out dozens of operations in Crimea, some of them quite spectacular. It seems absurd to have to write this sentence, but none of them led to nuclear war. The net effect of such operations was de-escalatory, as such attacks reduce Russia’s capability to attack Ukrainian territory.


Crimea has been recognised as Russian national territory by the signatories of Minsk.

When Musk activated Starlink for free for Ukraine he did so within Ukraine and not outside. Crimea is outside Ukraine and he would not be responsible for an attack in the interior of Russia, nor would I, nor would anybody else and even national governments like the US do not officially at least allow Ukraine to attack the interior of Russia with their weapons because they too see the potential of nuclear escalation and not just Musk.

There must be something seriously wrong with people expecting from Musk(a single private individual) to go further than the US government itself. :knife:

There must something even more wrong with people literally calling Musk a "child-killer" and blaming him for their operational failure while he is giving them more charity than entire allied countries do.

Western liberal pundits like Snyder represent the sort of pathetic hubris that has turned everything western into a ridiculous caricature.
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Putin's empty nuclear threats are effective not only on Musk but Western leaders in general. It's silly to single him out.

noemon wrote:Crimea has been recognised as Russian national territory by the signatories of Minsk.


Minsk has nothing to do with Crimea and no signatory (other than Russia) recognizes Crimea as Russian either de jure or de facto, since Crimea is literally being embargoed. Short of outright military intervention the US and Europe couldn't be more clear about NOT recognizing Crimea as Russian.
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Rugoz wrote:Putin's empty nuclear threatsare effective not only on Musk but Western leaders in general. It's silly to single him out.



Minsk has nothing to do with Crimea and no signatory (other than Russia) recognizes Crimea as Russian either de jure or de facto, since Crimea is literally being embargoed. Short of outright military intervention the US and Europe couldn't be more clear about NOT recognizing Crimea as Russian.

+1

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Musk can do what he wants. Governments can respond by providing their own systems they control if they wish (actually, I think the US government already put out a call for bids or at least a call for quotes for their own "starlink" like system. This is probably beyond the time frame of the Ukraine war though... The US already has such a system, it's just not designed to share it with external entities).

That said, the question we should be asking is if we like the idea of a private state? That is, private individuals having the power to make decisions for whole nations. For example, perhaps we should get rid of socialize health care systems and social security or pension. Instead, have private companies decide who gets what at retirement, and who gets treatment for illnesses based on non-democratic criteria they select. That is the natural consequence of giving all of our power to private entities. We should ask ourselves, do we want that?

I say, let's go for it. Full on cyber punk world.
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Rugoz wrote:Minsk has nothing to do with Crimea and no signatory (other than Russia) recognizes Crimea as Russian either de jure or de facto, since Crimea is literally being embargoed. Short of outright military intervention the US and Europe couldn't be more clear about NOT recognizing Crimea as Russian.


As we saw very clearly in our previous conversations about Minsk, the 'Russian Federation borders' are explicitly mentioned in the document with no asterisks and all the signatories(Ukraine, OSCE) have now de facto recognized them.
#15287883
Aside from the war shit, isn't filling our orbit with a bunch of junk satellites designed to only last 5 years a really fucking bad idea if we hope to do space travel at some point?

It's the space equivalent of dumping several hundred garbage trucks filled with used heroin needles on a beach, in terms of how often you want to walk along that beach. Sure you could do it very carefully if you know where every needle is but it's a bad idea.

The idea of Musk permanently trapping mankind on Earth because he filled the sky with orbiting trash is a really funny legacy for Mumbly Tony Stark.
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