[wat0n]

I take it you have no way to substantiate your lies.

Far-leftists are not "normal people". In fact, they couldn't even get a single delegate in the Dem primary in Michigan, the state where they should be strongest and where only people who are more likely to sympathize were able to vote.

[ingliz]

@wat0n

With Binyamin Netanyahu's "largely successful" attempts to undermine the accords after his election in 1996, it soon became clear to Palestinians that the Oslo process was, as Said foretold, "an instrument of Palestinian surrender, a Palestinian Versailles."

Throughout the peace talks of the 1990s, Israel’s settlements had expanded against a backdrop of growing Palestinian frustration, aggravated by Israeli closure and zoning policies that severely undermined the Palestinian economy, weakened its labor markets, and physically separated the Gaza Strip from the West Bank.

— "It's now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu's bad faith," Article, Avi Shlaim 12 September 2013

[wat0n]

@wat0n

With Binyamin Netanyahu's "largely successful" attempts to undermine the accords after his election in 1996, it soon became clear to Palestinians that the Oslo process was, as Said foretold, "an instrument of Palestinian surrender, a Palestinian Versailles."

Throughout the peace talks of the 1990s, Israel’s settlements had expanded against a backdrop of growing Palestinian frustration, aggravated by Israeli closure and zoning policies that severely undermined the Palestinian economy, weakened its labor markets, and physically separated the Gaza Strip from the West Bank.

— "It's now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu's bad faith," Article, Avi Shlaim 12 September 2013

Netanyahu was forced to continue with the Oslo process and then Barak was elected.

Even after that, the Oslo Accords are still binding and indeed it's why the Palestinian Authority exists to begin with.

Also, let's not forget the role of Hamas' suicide bombings in the run-up to the election in getting Netanyahu elected.

[ingliz]

and then Barak was elected.

And didn't stop the settlement building.

And then Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon really fucked things up on purpose.

And then...

[wat0n]

And didn't stop the settlement building.

And then Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon really fucked things up on purpose.

And then...

And it didn't stop the suicide bombings.

And then the other factions joined in.

And then... We are where we are now, with Hamas (hopefully) being likely toppled from Gaza and Netanyahu's government and legacy in deep shit.

Yet this does not mean Oslo was done back in 1996, at all. Or that the Palestinian Authority doesn't owe a lot to it, like its very existence for starters.

[skinster]

The Palestinian Authority are Israel and the West's puppets and traitors to Palestinians who haven't voted for them in a couple of decades. Palestinians hate them for their collusion with the apartheid colony. They also target the various Palestinian resistance groups, and have been doing so currently. But it's backfiring..

But the resistance orgs will destroy them before they destroy Zionist rule. There's only so long you can rule without the people onside and this war has made it clearer to Palestinians that it's game over time for the PA, who've been handing in resignations this week.

[wat0n]

I guess that's why the PA is pursuing war crime charges against Israel at the ICC. Because they're Israeli puppets.

[skinster]

Yes, they are puppets. I know you'd wish for them to be the legit governers of occupied Palestine since they serve the occupiers, but their day is done. The resistance is working on a unity government with Fatah, Hamas, the PFLP and DFLP

Palestinians know who Mahmoud Abbas is. Here he is in his own words.

[wat0n]

I would say Hamas' use of human shields is far more treacherous to their people than anything Abbas has ever done.

[skinster]

You mentioned the human shields Zionist projection yesterday and I explained how Palestinians don't treat their own like that, you have no evidence for it because it doesn't exist, and then I showed you how the Israeli high court ruled against the IDF doing this and then showed you evidence of a Palestinian used as a human shield during this current round of exacerbated genocide. Here it is again:


And here it is recently from outside of Gaza:


Hamas have never been as popular as they are today. Zionists trying to act like that ain't a thing is some, to use your word, COPE.

[wat0n]

There's no evidence of Hamas treating Gazan civilians as human shields...

...Except, of course, for the multiple videos of offensive rocket launches from cities, to provide the most obvious example of that.

[skinster]

Yes yes, let's trust the word of a Zionist.

Not really a fan of this guy, but he's absolutely correct on that live streamed genocide in Palestine.

[wat0n]

This isn't my word, it's in video evidence. Cope.

[skinster]

[Rich]

Joe Biden's primary goal here is that he needs there to be a ceasefire when Americans go to the polls in November. A ceasefire in Gaza that is. After November the Israelis can do anything they want, just as long as the deaths in Gaza don't endanger his reelection. Conversely his position with Ukraine his is that there must be no ceasefire until after the November elections, lest it make his leadership look like a total failure, at which point he'll be free to throw the Ukrainians under the bus in the same way that he so ruthlessly (but sadly not competently) threw his Afghan allies under the bus at the beginning of his first term.