[Skynet]

If Hamas wanted a peace treaty, it would stop being Hamas.

Likud prohibits also in his founding charta a palestinian state.

But I think if the USA realy pressures Israel and Qatar the Hamas, Gaza could become a 2nd Dubai

[wat0n]

@Pants-of-dog How would that stop Hamas exactly? Provide a step by step outlook.

@Skynet Likud is far, far more vulnerable to US pressure than Hamas.

[Skynet]

@Skynet Likud is far, far more vulnerable to US pressure .

Qatar pays the bills of Hamas, USA and Qatar have to force them to peace.

Unfortunately on both sides are crazy radicals who think we live in Endtimes...

[wat0n]

There are reports that the US is pressuring Qatar and Egypt to get Hamas to agree to a ceasefire. Let's see how that goes.

[Skynet]

There are reports that the US is pressuring Qatar and Egypt to get Hamas to agree to a ceasefire. Let's see how that goes.

A ceasefire which is limited is no solution it needs a peace plan

[wat0n]

A ceasefire which is limited is no solution it needs a peace plan

Indeed, yet that is not quite possible as long as Hamas would rather have the type of war that is currently being fought over a peace plan.

Something similar can be said about the Israeli right, but they are easier to replace than Hamas.

[Pants-of-dog]

Part of the issue is that each side has different views as to what the problem is and what the solution is.

Biden cares about getting re-elected. His problem is that he cannot look like a genocide supporter. The solution is to portray himself as a critic of Israeli policies that lead to the death of white humanitarian aid workers. Whether or not there is peace is irrelevant to him.

Israeli society is set up to incentivize acquisition of land and resources from Palestine. Consequently, a lasting peace would actually be opposed to the goals built into Israeli society. In this respect, the IDF and Israeli government will be doing everything possible to avoid stopping military action.

The Palestinians actually want peace. But they do not simply want an end to the current war. They also want an end to the hostilities and violence that is part of “peacetime” in Palestine. This requires radical changes in Israeli society and politics.

[wat0n]

How does Hamas want peace?

I will note Israel has, in the past, given up land for peace. So this narrative does not fit observed behavior.

[Pants-of-dog]

Israel has never given up Palestinian land.

[wat0n]

Israel did give up Gaza.

And it also gave up the Sina, including its settlements, in exchange of peace with Egypt. Why couldn't the same happen with other evidently symbolic land in the region in exchange for peace?

[Pants-of-dog]

Israel never gave up Gaza. An occupied territory is not sovereign.

And since Israel does not have a settler colonialism relationship with Egypt, a comparison between Egypt-Israeli relations and Palestine-Israeli relations is meaningless.

[wat0n]

Gaza is not under Israeli occupation. It is evident Israel has not exerted the control required for Gaza to be under Israeli occupation by the fact that the war is still ongoing.

Also, Gaza was in fact under Egyptian occupation (even briefly annexed) and taken by Israel along with the Sinai.

[Pants-of-dog]

No. Occupation does not require an absolutely perfect totalitarian regime.

[wat0n]

Nobody said it does. Occupation requires control, which can even be done through a puppet government, but that is also not what describes Hamas' relations with Israel. Israel occupying Gaza also implies Israel having the ability to put boots on the ground anywhere in Gaza with ease, just a matter of hours, an ability that it lacks given just how long the war has taken and how long it took for Israel to start doing just that.

[Skynet]

Israel did give up Gaza.

Israel was rarher driven out by fierce and constant fighting... Sharon the legendary IDF commander pulled the forces out

[Pants-of-dog]

Gaza has been under military occupation since 1967.

While the Israeli government disputes this (because of the “withdrawal” of the IDF), it still retains military control over the area and controls the borders, leading the UN and most human rights groups to consider Gaza as an occupied territory.

[wat0n]

What you describe is a blockade, not an occupation.

[Pants-of-dog]

A blockade is different from an occupation.

A blockade is an act or means of sealing off a place to prevent goods or people from entering or leaving. There is currently a blockade of humanitarian aid in Gaza.

An occupation is the action, state, or period of occupying or being occupied by military force. Such as the IDF having military control of Gaza.

[wat0n]

The IDF stopped having military control of Gaza in 2005.

It only regained control over part of Gaza during this war.

The only thing you described was a blockade.

[Pants-of-dog]

During that entire time, the IDF had military occupation of Gaza. They were the only recognized military force in Gaza. They had complete operational freedom in Gaza. They regularly killed Palestinians in Gaza.