[wat0n]

Still not a reason to remain silent when elements of your own party believe antisemitic protestors are "very fine people". Even more so when Israel is not acting different from how the US has in similar situations and in similar battlefields.

[Pants-of-dog]

In terms of the international politics and US support for the IDF and Israeli government, antisemitism is irrelevant, despite the fact that it is still a significant form of bigotry within the USA.

[wat0n]

I am talking about US domestic politics. And actually antisemitism is very much relevant in international politics too.

[Pants-of-dog]

Western support for Israel has been unflagging until the recent genocide, and even now it is still very strong

There is no evidence of antisemitism being important on an international level.

[wat0n]

Oh, antisemitism very much is important outside the West. I don't think this is or should be controversial at all.

[Pants-of-dog]

This thread is about the relationship between the USA and Israel.

It is not about non-western countries.

[wat0n]

This thread is not just about Israeli-US relations, it is also about US domestic politics (which definitely impacts relations, too). And what we see is that antisemitic harassment by progressive pro-Palestine protesters is ignored by the Democratic Party, which will likely have electoral consequences at some point. After all, American Jews have historically been among the most committed voters for the Democratic Party and some battleground states have large enough Jewish populations for this support to be relevant.

How long can their patience last?

[late]

Everything has limits, including our patience.

[wat0n]

Whose patience? The antisemitic wing of the Dems?

[Pants-of-dog]

Biden is feeling pressure from those opposed to genocide.

[late]

Whose patience?

[wat0n]

@Pants-of-dog So it is the antisemitic wing of the party, then. After all, they have no issues with the genocidal massacre committed by Hamas, as the far-left in general doesn't.

We heard you @late, Mr "there's fine people among those who harass and throw slurs at American Jews".

[late]

We heard you @late

Nope.

[wat0n]

How were you labeling the people calling American Jews "murderous kikes"? "The moralist wing of the Democrats"?

Yup, it's very much like Trump's "there's very fine people in both sides" trope.

[late]

Yup

Still lying?

[wat0n]

Not lying, it comes from your own posts.

Or what, is it moral to harass and slur American Jews?

By the way, the US had no issues bombing the hell out of ISIS in Iraq and Syria, under Obama and Trump. Enough nonense.

[Pants-of-dog]

Accusing everyone who disagrees with the IDF and Israeli government as antisemitic is incorrect and illogical.

The claim that all these critics are antisemitic is also easily disproven by pointing to the many Jewish critics.

[wat0n]

Those who harass American Jews certainly are.

What is actually illogical is to assume anti-Israel leftists are immune to being anti-semitic.

[late]

Accusing everyone who disagrees with the IDF and Israeli government as antisemitic is incorrect and illogical.

The claim that all these critics are antisemitic is also easily disproven by pointing to the many Jewish critics.

Also known as lying..

[late]

Those who harass American Jews certainly are.

What is actually illogical is to assume anti-Israel leftists are immune to being anti-semitic.

You mean anti-Semitic American Jews: