[Rugoz]

Wtf?

[wat0n]

Looks like a coup, it seems he didn't enjoy a majority in the National Assembly.

[Mosaic Mystic]

I just heard about the South Korean president implementing Martial Law. It’s a sad and serious situation, but since I don’t live there, I can’t fully relate to the average Korean’s experience. That said, I genuinely hope everyone will be okay. On a personal note, I hope this doesn’t negatively impact the K-Pop industry or Korea’s incredible film industry—both mean a lot to me. I’ll never forget seeing Parasite in theaters, completely unaware it would go on to win an Oscar. It’s a testament to the amazing talent Korea brings to the world.

[Rugoz]

Looks like a coup, it seems he didn't enjoy a majority in the National Assembly.

The weirdest coup attempt ever. Wtf was he thinking.

[wat0n]

The weirdest coup attempt ever. Wtf was he thinking.

[Yaqum]

This was uploaded a few days ago. It’s a general perspective on some of the challenges that South Korea faces today.

[Pewty]

The President thought he would pretend to be Trump. Unfortunately for him, his party refused to pretend to be Republicans.

[ThirdTerm]

The Korean president is fighting against a Korean MAGA party which currently controls the parliament and he was about to be impeached by liberal mobs, making it necessary to declare martial law. In South Korea, ethno-nationalism is considered a liberal ideology and the opposition liberal party has traditionally supported Korean MAGA nationalism. Thus, the Democratic Party of Korea has made Japan and China its die-hard enemies, while North Korea has become its best friend. Korean MAGA nationalists are really dangerous and you cannot argue with them rationally.

South Korea’s main opposition leader, Lee Jae-myung, has been convicted on charges of violating the country’s election law and handed a one-year suspended prison sentence.

The Seoul Central District Court on Friday found the leader of the Democratic Party (DP) guilty of making false statements before the 2022 presidential election in violation of the Public Official Election Act.

If upheld, the ruling will strip Lee of his parliamentary seat and bar him from running in the next presidential election in 2027, as the law prohibits him from running for public office for the next five years.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/ ... ection-law

[Verv]

The Korean president is fighting against a Korean MAGA party which currently controls the parliament and he was about to be impeached by liberal mobs, making it necessary to declare marshal law. In South Korea, ethno-nationalism is considered a liberal ideology and the opposition liberal party has traditionally supported Korean MAGA nationalism. Thus, the Democratic Party of Korea has made Japan and China its die-hard enemies, while North Korea has become its best friend. Korean MAGA nationalists are really dangerous and you cannot argue with them rationally.

South Korea’s main opposition leader, Lee Jae-myung, has been convicted on charges of violating the country’s election law and handed a one-year suspended prison sentence.

The Seoul Central District Court on Friday found the leader of the Democratic Party (DP) guilty of making false statements before the 2022 presidential election in violation of the Public Official Election Act.

If upheld, the ruling will strip Lee of his parliamentary seat and bar him from running in the next presidential election in 2027, as the law prohibits him from running for public office for the next five years.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/ ... ection-law

There are some accurate statements here:

- the Korean left & center left due tend to have more ethnic nationalist elements. Even the older people of the Korean conservative party do tend to be more positive towards foreigners in general and more pro-immigrant as evidenced by their historic policies. But this is changing - not because the conservatives are giving up these positions, but because younger Koreans are embracing the norms for the left throughout the world.

- Lee Jaemyung is corrupt, oh yeah he is. His party rallying around both him and Cho Guk was foolish and made them look bad. These statements about him are also correct.

But portraying the Korean mainstream liberal party as the 'MAGA party' of Korea is ridiculous. It's far more anticlimactic than that, lol.

Is there unfair prosecutions of politicians and double standards employed when their opponents gain the upper hand? Yes, of course, this is normal in many countries around the world..?

The declaration of martial law was insane.

Yoon also was unpopular in his own party, and right now they are debating whether to forcibly expel him. They've already demanded he fire the minister of defense that advised him to do this, and the party head is talking about how everyone involved is going to pay dear.

His own party has abandoned him with various top aides and cabinet members resigning over the declaration.

He will be impeached or step down.

[Tainari88]

Well, all this bullshit political wrangling has caused untold misery and splitting nations in two over ideological differences. Gee, what does that sound like now in the United States in 2024?

It goes to show how if you have divisive international politics it will evnetually come back to bite you in the ass down the road. @Verv eventually the US is going to suffer greatly for having that kind of mentality politically. Manipulating half the world to serve selfish interests is diabolic. If you can not see it? Too bad for you. Blind as a bat.

The best decision any sane government of any sane nation state in the world should do is join an UNALIGNED nation position and allow the Superpowers to go at it without using the rest of the world as their personal chess board. Do not play the world domination game. Give that a hard pass folks. And then reconcile within your own ethnicity and nationality and group. Unity as one and accepting diversity of opinions and people. Do government right. With logic, realism, economic policies with humane values. A win and a win for all involved. The divisive shit is horrible.

The pawns need to unite and get to the final row and become Queens and then tell off all these egotistical superpowers to mind their own damn business.

Revive the power of the international courts of justice and give enforcement powers to the United Nations to check all these USA vs China or USA vs Russia, or USA vs EU or USA vs Latin America, or USA vs African Continent ridiculous crap it turns out to be. With millions dying and suffering because they are funded by callous people that believe in world domination. It is horrific.

You are going to get blowback. Notice what the video says about Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden? Hmmm. Blowback. Over trying to manipulate other nations into doing your bidding.

It all is highly immoral, unethical and eventually those violent elements will come to your doorstep to charge you the price of fanatical mentalities.

Hmm. Fanatical mentalities....I wonder where that comes from eh?

[Rancid]

The weirdest coup attempt ever. Wtf was he thinking.

He was probably inspired by the wave of fascist pricks across the world.

[Rich]

What I find weird is that so many people love executive Presidencies, but then whine like bitches when things like this happen. As I've said before if you're serious about democracy then.

No separately elected executive Presidencies, governors or mayors.
Pure proportional representation
Yearly fixed date elections

Now I know a lot of people will say, well i don't really care that much about democracy, having to vote every year is far too onerous. Having to think about multiple parties is far too intellectually demanding. Well fine, but please stop complaining if your politics ends up as a circus.

[AFAIK]

If you want to have an executive it should take the form of a council that way you can more accurately reflect society by requiring, say, a 3 member council have one man and one woman on it. There's no way a modern society can be accurately reflected and fairly governed by one individual.

[QatzelOk]

...Korean MAGA nationalists are really dangerous and you cannot argue with them rationally...

There is no "MAGA" in South Korea, and that you say "you cannot argue with them," probably means that you would have nothing to say to them.

The current president Yoon is an American vassal who has made a military alliance with Japan against China. This is so ahistorical that Yoon might get more than "impeached" for it.

And the USA angle here is that South Korea is a necessary military base from which to contain China.

If the people of South Korea don't like this role (human shields and air force base for Uncle Sam), and would like to be re-united with the other part of Korea (Korea was cut in half by the West after being bombed and its ecology destroyed) and come up with their own type of governance... then they first have to get rid of Yoon, and then they have to defend their country against any attempted MAIDANs.

South Korea has some serious problems with the presidents. It is suspicious.

Korea should be united and not under some dictator of any sort.

I also read a lot about South Koreans dying of overwork.

Also drop boxes of places to drop off your baby because you can't raise the child.
...

"Let's cut Korea in half, sanction the north to death, and manufacture millions of cars in the south so we can quickly change to tank production to invade China."

Amazing that Koreans living in the south have managed to survive their vassalhood and human shieldness this long.

[Verv]

Breaking news on this: Chairman of the PPP and Minsiter of Justice, Han Dong-hoon, has stated that he will no longer stand in the way of impeachment, and that Pres. Yoon must be removed from power as quickly as possible.

The "yes" is an implication at this point, but a very strong one:

The leader of the ruling party said Friday that President Yoon Suk Yeol needs to be swiftly suspended from exercising power, revealing that Yoon ordered the arrests of prominent politicians during his aborted martial law declaration.

Han Dong-hoon of the People Power Party (PPP) said there is a possibility that the president may again take a "radical" action like the botched declaration of martial law if Yoon clings to the presidential power.

Korea Times

This is also very fascinating:

Prime Minister Han Duck-soo was completely unaware of President Yoon Suk Yeol's martial law declaration. This was because Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun, a former upperclassman of President Yoon in high school, bypassed the prime minister and communicated directly with the president.

Additionally, elite military units, specifically the 1st Airborne Special Forces Brigade, were deployed to the National Assembly, signaling an aggressive move to suppress political opposition.

A source said, "This martial law action appears orchestrated by the 'Chungam faction,' with (Defense) Minister Kim directly coordinating with President Yoon." The "Chungam faction" refers to those who graduated from Chungam High School in Seoul.

Korea Times

Something else funny: The school now wants to change its name due to this dubious association, lol.

[Tainari88]

There is no "MAGA" in South Korea, and that you say "you cannot argue with them," probably means that you would have nothing to say to them.

The current president Yoon is an American vassal who has made a military alliance with Japan against China. This is so ahistorical that Yoon might get more than "impeached" for it.

And the USA angle here is that South Korea is a necessary military base from which to contain China.

If the people of South Korea don't like this role (human shields and air force base for Uncle Sam), and would like to be re-united with the other part of Korea (Korea was cut in half by the West after being bombed and its ecology destroyed) and come up with their own type of governance... then they first have to get rid of Yoon, and then they have to defend their country against any attempted MAIDANs.



"Let's cut Korea in half, sanction the north to death, and manufacture millions of cars in the south so we can quickly change to tank production to invade China."

Amazing that Koreans living in the south have managed to survive their vassalhood and human shieldness this long.

I have always wondered why South Korea started to manufacture cars. Like Kia and Hyundai. It always said to me...something there is about manufacturing to please a certain set of investors.

Samsung, Hyundai, etc. These huge corporations.

The weather in South Korea is really dismal. I find it very depressing wet, grey weather.

It has a lot of suicide and lonely people. And very few younger folks are getting married and having children.

Koreans arrived in the Yucatán. They worked for haciendas of Henequen. They worked in contracts of four years. They wound up doing low paid work worse than their own country. This incredibly sad history. They were here. Now? Tremendous interesting. They started marrying Mayans and the Koreans spread everywhere.

The Koreans were a great part of life in Yucatan. Fascinating history. I met quite a few of the Koreans from the Yucatan here. Mexico fought with the USA to liberate Korea from Japanese occupation. It is very interesting history. There is an avenue here called República de Corea. There are statues in the city to the descendants of those original arrivals to Mexico from Korea.

I find it interesting that so many people really do not realize how many nations in Latin America were places for immigration from all over the world to find a better life. It was not just the USA. Yet, no one really knows the history of many nations who have a lot of diversity of people. Often tragic.

[Deutschmania]

I have always wondered why South Korea started to manufacture cars. Like Kia and Hyundai. It always said to me...something there is about manufacturing to please a certain set of investors.

Samsung, Hyundai, etc. These huge corporations.

The weather in South Korea is really dismal. I find it very depressing wet, grey weather.

It has a lot of suicide and lonely people. And very few younger folks are getting married and having children.

From what I understand , the chaebol is structured along similar lines to that of the Japanese zaibatsu . In my opinion this constitutes a type of industrial feudalism . And at least in the past , South Korea has involved a sort of Korean fascism , known as Ilminism . As to suicide , I had heard of this sort of thing impacting Japanese youth , known as "hikikomori" , or more negatively as parasite singles , whom in like manner feel alienated and demoralized . I can somewhat relate to this , as I had had an uncle , whom had what seemed to have Fragile X syndrome , wound up committing suicide , before I was even born . From what I had been told , this was due in large part to his drowning in a sea of debt , in which his SSI proved to be inadequate. And I think that as someone who myself has yet to find gainful steady employment , as a number of other autistic adults have experienced ,it can feel disheartening . The key difference I believe , between those such as myself and those whom have ended their lives , is that I choose to hold on to the hope of a better world being possible in this lifetime . This is what has motivated both me , in addition to an increasing number of young people in Japan , to support Communism as providing a path forward . As there is disaffection with the material conditions of modern life , as is addressed in this popular song , the music video which includes English subtitles, posted below . But I know that in Korea this has been more challenging , as any association with Communism will as one might expect be met with official suppression .


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/04/21/401243060/young-adults-with-autism-more-likely-to-be-unemployed-isolated


https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-forgotten-women/202406/the-autistic-employment-conundrum

[Verv]

From what I understand , the chaebol is structured along similar lines to that of the Japanese zaibatsu . In my opinion this constitutes a type of industrial feudalism . And at least in the past , South Korea has involved a sort of Korean fascism , known as Ilminism . As to suicide , I had heard of this sort of thing impacting Japanese youth , known as "hikikomori" , or more negatively as parasite singles , whom in like manner feel alienated and demoralized . I can somewhat relate to this , as I had had an uncle , whom had what seemed to have Fragile X syndrome , wound up committing suicide , before I was even born . From what I had been told , this was due in large part to his drowning in a sea of debt , in which his SSI proved to be inadequate. And I think that as someone who myself has yet to find gainful steady employment , as a number of other autistic adults have experienced ,it can feel disheartening . The key difference I believe , between those such as myself and those whom have ended their lives , is that I choose to hold on to the hope of a better world being possible in this lifetime . This is what has motivated both me , in addition to an increasing number of young people in Japan , to support Communism as providing a path forward . As there is disaffection with the material conditions of modern life , as is addressed in this popular song , the music video which includes English subtitles, posted below . But I know that in Korea this has been more challenging , as any association with Communism will as one might expect be met with official suppression .


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/04/21/401243060/young-adults-with-autism-more-likely-to-be-unemployed-isolated


https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-forgotten-women/202406/the-autistic-employment-conundrum

To point some things out:

- There's a certain irony that they say that Ilminism believed that the Koreans have a united "spiritual" aspect to themselves when Syngman Rhee is noteworthy for his Calvinism, which is a rejection of the traditional Shamanic Buddhism and Confucianism (that also saw the country disunited) of previous centuries. Of course, this might just be some observation about a shared spirit, or a common spiritual template, nonetheless, it's interesting.

- Ilminism is not particularly developed as a nationalist philosophy. Local far right wingers are more likely to model their thought off of foreign models, running the usual gamut of lit-UH-rilly Hitler to Evola, than they are to plum the debts of local thinkers (of which there aren't that many). "Ilminism" I have only heard mentioned extensively by a single source, and I think he's a Korean American.

- Ilminism is associated with an unsuccessful "dictator," who is not even particularly thought of as a dictator, perhaps due to his lack of success and lack of impression on the country. He's also thought of as inheriting a borderline untenable and completely unenviable position of presiding over Korea immediately before, during, and after the Korean war. He is not talked about much in comparison to the real faces of Korean military dictatorship...

- Park Chung Hee, who ruled from 1962 to 1979, is perhaps synonymous with autocracy in SK. He is highly divisive in the sense that many rather accurately believe that he is chiefly responsible for developing the economy and uniting them in a single direction - his "Sae maeul undong' (New Village Movement) would be the closest thing, IMO, to something like something identifiable with a fascist ideological platform with name recognition. Howver, this is primarily an industrialization campagin.

He is perhaps the most influential Korean of the 20th century.

- Chun Doo-hwan, who ruled from 1980 to 1988, taking over after Park's death, is the prototypical military dictator. He is remembered for his violent suppression of the Gwangju uprising, and in general his violent suppression of democratic movements in the country. He is also not thought of as particularly contributing to economic development or anything at all, and so he is most usually identified as the greatest culprit of unreasonable, undemocratic rule...

Even the far right tends to identify with the achievements of Park, while merely defending the excesses of Chun, though some do not even do that.

In this whole mix, there isn't much thought of a guiding fascistic principle, and the closest thing to it would be the 'Sae maeul undong.' You can actually buy shirts and the official flag of the New Village Movement here or there. Most people smile at these things wryly, and many have big opinions...

Still, probably a third of people alive respect Park and tepidly support what was done ou tof necessity, and another third view him as horrible and unjustifiable, and another third is in the middle. At least, that is my experience in Seoul - if you were in Daegu, there'd be more support for Park, while if you were in Gwangju or Cheollado in general, there would be great opposition.

... I didn't know this: you are in Japan?

[Deutschmania]

I didn't know this: you are in Japan?

I have never been there myself . I have just followed a few J-Vloggers , and have kept up somewhat with Japanese politics .

[ThirdTerm]

South Korea's MAGA nationalists are so keen on impeaching South Korean President Yoon because he is seen as a Japanese puppet. MAGA opposition parties in South Korea are critical of Yoon's Japan policy, which has greatly improved Japan-South Korea relations. The impeachment bill severely attacked President Yoon's pro-Japan policy. The said section was removed after it was criticized by US media. South Korea is not Japan's friend and it should stay out of it.

Particularly problematic was the conclusion of the first impeachment bill, which stated, "In the name of value diplomacy, the US has ignored geopolitical balance, viewed North Korea, China and Russia as enemies, and stuck to a strange Japan-centered foreign policy, which has led to isolation in Northeast Asia and brought about the threat of war."

The US government-affiliated media Voice of America (VOA) quoted US experts who criticized this, saying, "The view that the improvement of Japan-South Korea relations and the strengthening of Japan-US-South Korea cooperation have isolated South Korea does not correspond to the facts," and this was widely quoted in Korean newspapers. Apart from views on Yoon's declaration of martial law, there are many experts in South Korea who believe that it is rational for South Korea to place importance on the Japan-US-South Korea framework, given the current relations between North and South Korea and the US and China.

South Korean lawmakers pushed Dec. 7 to impeach Yoon for the failed martial law declaration. The resolution accused Yoon of putting South Korea on the brink of war by operating a foreign policy "hostile to North Korea, China and Russia, but centered on Japan." The opposition-led attempt failed because a boycott by Yoon’s ruling People’s Party left the legislature short of the necessary quorum.

"If you look back at the impeachment resolution, one of the paragraphs in that impeachment resolution directly attacked President Yoon for the trilateral partnership that he had established with Japan and the United States. That was very disturbing," said Evans Revere, the former principal deputy assistant secretary and acting assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs. He spoke to VOA Korean on Monday via Zoom.

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-officials- ... 99536.html