[Rancid]

The question every American should be asking themselves is: What the hell were those Iranian ships doing off the coast of Iran?

exactly, and what where they doing radioing in "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes"

nice try... but no

[Piano Red]

The question every American should be asking themselves is: What the hell were those Iranian ships doing off the coast of Iran?

Does the term "international waters" ring any bells with you?

[KurtFF8]

This is bad, any ammo to give Bush in terms of beating the war drum he will use.

Although at this point he may not have enough political power to take any action against Iran.

[Eauz]

This is almost as good as those Fox programs called "When Animals Attack". We never think that those animals are defending their interest in the area, we always wonder why they were so mean in attacking us.

[QatzelOk]

Does the term "international waters" ring any bells with you?

In that case, the question every non-American should be asking is "What were those American ships doing in International waters. I thought the US no longer believed in international treaties?

[Verv]

OK, Noel...

Yes it is reported that two F-18 from the USS Harry Truman have crashed after a collision. Unfortunately the three pilots are safe.

So you think it is against human rights to send an Israeli spy to jail, but you think it is good if American pilots who likely have been in the military for 10+ years and joined more out of interest of being pilots than politics, to meet their deaths?

How do you think? What is the line of logic?

Americans do not deserve human rights or something?

[QatzelOk]

Americans do not deserve human rights or something?

Of course they deserve human rights. But I understand Noelnada's lack of compassion for these human beings who are sitting on aircraft carriers ready to destroy yet another oil-possessing non-American-aligned country in the Middle East. This ship will probably cause a lot more death if it isn't sunk.

That being said, I hope these ships simply leave, and then mysteriously sink in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean because of some global warming phenomenon. And everyone survives and turns gay Moslem communist because of the experience.

That is the ideal scenario as far as I'm concerned.

[Piano Red]

Although at this point he may not have enough political power to take any action against Iran.

He's the Commander in Chief, it's not a matter of political power.

This is almost as good as those Fox programs called "When Animals Attack". We never think that those animals are defending their interest in the area, we always wonder why they were so mean in attacking us.

What interests were the Iranians defending exactly by trying to harass ships that were bigger and better than their own? Or were in international waters?

Your answer is almost as assinine as Qatz's.

In that case, the question every non-American should be asking is "What were those American ships doing in International waters.

Practically anything they wanted really...seeing how they are international waters, and not...

->You know what, fuck it, I know there's nothing I say that's going to change your diluded perception of things.

[Verv]

You know, gay Moslem Communist is not so bad. I would assume the amount of compassion and friendship between these characters is enough to inspire anybody.

You are assuming that these ships are out there desiring to further American interests through aggressive action when it's Iranians threatening to sink them in international waters. That doesn't make sense to me, Qatzy.

Of course, you could argue that from past US policy such events would be likely but I really do not think so.

[Gletkin]

Smells like Gulf of Tonkin: The Sequel.

So, where is the "other side of the story" someone was talking about?

We have to wait for 4 decades.
Then we'll be told some bullshit like "the NSA mistranslated Iranian communications".

He's the Commander in Chief, it's not a matter of political power.

If he gives a damn about his party's chances of winning elections it is.

In any case it's also, if not more, a matter of manpower and $$$$$$. We're strapped as it is fighting in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Noelnada]

So you think it is against human rights to send an Israeli spy to jail, but you think it is good if American pilots who likely have been in the military for 10+ years and joined more out of interest of being pilots than politics, to meet their deaths?

How do you think? What is the line of logic?

Americans do not deserve human rights or something?

Americans do deserve human rights, but well, they should protect them rather than try to violate them at every possible occasion.

Actually i'm not sad the pilots have survived, but i just wonder, why having so many troops in the region. Do Americans not care about the fact that 40 percents of their tax money is being spent like that ?

I know US military members do no make the political decisions, and probably many military interventions could have been avoided if some of them(knowing the subject better than the decision makers) would have been listened to.

[Verv]

Actually i'm not sad the pilots have survived, but i just wonder, why having so many troops in the region. Do Americans not care about the fact that 40 percents of their tax money is being spent like that ?

Well, isn't that the whole defense budget? We've always maintained a very high defense budget and it looks proportionally larger than most nations because we do not have as many socialist institutions.

In the early years of our federal government you could have divided the budget to perhaps 90% defense with random stuff for printing currency, etc.

I do not think the government has much of a right to spend my money on anything but maintaining my freedom. I do not ask for healthcare or hand outs. I do well myself, thanks.

[Eauz]

What interests were the Iranians defending exactly by trying to harass ships that were bigger and better than their own? Or were in international waters?

It doesn't matter where they are, Iran is a regional power and has an interest in the region. We can't forget that the USA supported the slaughter of people in central and south America to prevent the influence of the USSR from spreading into the Americas.

[Oxymoron]

In any case it's also, if not more, a matter of manpower and $$$$$$. We're strapped as it is fighting in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Well when a country has a global war to fight then a draft is usualy used which I support.

It doesn't matter where they are, Iran is a regional power and has an interest in the region

They are playing chicken with the strongest military in the world not a pragmatic policy.

[Truth-a-naut]

Well when a country has a global war to fight then a draft is usualy used which I support.

Would you be willing to possibly die in Iran for nebulous political reasons?

[Oxymoron]

Would you be willing to possibly die in Iran for nebulous political reasons

I would be willing to fight for my country and possibly die.

[Truth-a-naut]

In Iran? For what? I am honestly curious, what would you possibly be dying for?

[Oxymoron]

what would you possibly be dying for

I would be fighting for the same reason our boys fought the Mexican American War, and Spanish american war, WW1, WW2 . To mantain and gain American dominance.

[KurtFF8]

Well when a country has a global war to fight then a draft is usualy used which I support.

Well there are a few reasons there won't be a draft, one of the main ones being: they don't want this to be worse than the 60s, which it would be.

There certainly won't be one (especially while Bush is in office, as he's claimed that he "will not sign a draft while he is president")

[Truth-a-naut]

If you're planning to fight Iran to 'gain American influence' you're fighting the wrong country.

Go look where your shoes are made, go look where the keyboard you're typing all this shit is built. Checked? It's not Iran you moron.

I'm glad American kicked the ass of both the Mexican and Spanish juggernauts, made the world safe for cheap labour and awesome vacation spots!