[fuser]

France made alliance but as in my signature says
Rivers change course over many lifetimes
I do not deny that act of France does not sit well with me, but at the end of days, France is part of Europe.

So France was a traitor. Were Habsburg too for their pact with Safavids? Damn, it seems Europe was filled with traitors. Or may be this whole concept of "Fighting for Europe" is ridiculous, eh?

Does sending millions of people into death counts too?

So somehow you are trying to turn this thread about communism, I wonder why?

Anyhow I gave the example you asked for, its good to see you can't counter that though. Now can you try to stick to your own topic?

[Azure Angel]

I never called French people traitors, nor their country.
They made pact with Ottomans,so what?

Communists made alliance with Nazis when they invaded Poland.
So maybe Communists betrayed communism when they made pact with Nazis.
So maybe this whole concept of "Fighting for Communism" is ridiculous, eh?

By the way,nice dodge for my question about greatest slaughters communist states committed in history of mankind.

[fuser]

I never called French people traitors, nor their country.
They made pact with Ottomans,so what?

Did I said that you said such? No but following your ridiculous logic of, "they were fighting for Europe", it de facto makes France traitors.Now are you still defending that logic or are willing to call France traitors?

Communists made alliance with Nazis when they invaded Poland.
So maybe Communists betrayed communism when they made pact with Nazis.
So maybe this whole concept of "Fighting for Communism" is ridiculous, eh?

Poland was not communist, what's wrong with protecting and enlarging communist border it doesn't matter what kind of help they took, its just realpolitik but in cae of France, their pact was specifically targeted at another European power i.e. Habsburg. Can you spot the difference now between the two?

By the way,nice dodge for my question about greatest slaughters communist states committed in history of mankind.

Ummm, Is this thread about you firing random question about communism? Try to stick to your own topic or as it seems, you can't. I played along for one question (which you failed to counter btw and came up with another random question) but I am no longer interested in following that, this is a very bad excuse for your utter failure at pursuing your original line of thought which has been thoroughly smashed.

Bunch of romantic nonsense and masturbation.

Exactly, the op summed up in one small statement.

[Azure Angel]

With communists making pact with Nazis, they went against everything that is communist ideology.
It does not matter that Poland was not communist.
It is akin if Islamist made pact with homosexual person, that simply goes against every part of his religion.

You failed to counter the truth I showed that communists did not save millions of lives by defeating Germany, they simply took over and continued doing much larger killings.

Let me ask you this, if your country India was invaded by Islamic World, would you defend her?
If you would defend her, would you be proud of your defense, or would you call it romantic nonsense?

[fuser]

lol, so basically now you are incapable of even making a token comment about your own topic.

With communists making pact with Nazis, they went against everything that is communist ideology.

False. Communism is not some idealist claptrap nonsense. And that is exactly why comparing it to any religion (idealist ideology is faulty), realpolitik is realpolitik and this pact was quite a bit beneficial for USSR and its communist system, period.

You failed to counter the truth I showed that communists did not save millions of lives by defeating Germany, they simply took over and continued doing much larger killings.

Yeah. Every Slav, Pole, Jews etc in Europe are dead.

Let me ask you this, if your country India was invaded by Islamic World, would you defend her?
If you would defend her, would you be proud of your defense, or would you call it romantic nonsense?

lol, so another round of random question that has nothing to do with this topic. You do realize that being an Indian there's 12-13% of chance that I may be a Muslim? Anyhow no I am not "proud" of any battle/war fought by petty Indian Kings, Emperors etc. I am just interested in history, that's it.



Now if you once again fail to pursue your own topic or your own original line of thought, I am just going to ignore your random off topic posts but its sure the indicator of your failure at actually doing so as this very off topic post of your shows.

[Azure Angel]

Okay, my mistake about communism ideology and side questions, my apologies.

This thread was simply written to show small part of Croat military history, which most people probably never heard of before.
If you have heard of this battle, I applaud you for your education.

You are perhaps not proud of your country military history, but it is military history which made every county what is today.
I kindly ask that we leave this thread as it is for anyone who wants to read first post and nice war story.

Also, you said there is 12-13% chance you are Muslim, how can you be communist and Muslim?

[fuser]

fair enough.

And yeah you can be religious and a communist, many communist were/are, Dagoth is a fine comrade and a Muslim active on this forum.

[Azure Angel]

fair enough.

And yeah you can be religious and a communist, many communist were/are, Dagoth is a fine comrade and a Muslim active on this forum.

I have in my family religious communists, but they are Christian.
If you are Muslim, is not implementing Sharia law the utmost goal of every practicing Muslim since Sharia law is considered the infallible law of Allah?
Sharia law is really not compatible with communist ideal of society.

[Dagoth Ur]

Sharia law is where educated (in islam) leaders of the community issue declarations of law. These laws change, as they are supposed to, because concensus changes. As such Sharia can range from extremely tolerant to outright xenophobic. I fail to see how this would negate socialist or communist stages.

Also Islam holds nothing as infallible except God and His Word.