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#14351542
Oh god! Malta certainly was not easier in light of the strength of the British navy! The decision to pull out from Malta came from Hitler. Why?


It came from Hitler? That's your argument because we all know what a military Genius Hitler was. You yourself are saying that German logistics was in deep trouble (even before invading Egypt) specially because of British forces present in Malta. But still with constrained supply lines, invading Egypt was a better option? Also, fyi British navy didn't had total supremacy in Mediterranean at this point of time, reinforcements for axis were able to make their way from Europe, similarly RM was still alive and Germany had managed to achieve local air superiority over malta and that's precisely why Paratroopers were assembled by German general staff but they were used by Rommel in his disastrous drive towards Egypt.

Get with the program bud...You appear to have an expectation that Rommel was supposed to single handedly defeat the Allies while ignoring how stretched German military resources and supplies were in Malta.


I am not your bud and try to read more carefully next time. I never claimed anything like that and for the last time there was no German resources and supplies on malta because it was in British hand. German supply lines were stretched in North Africa because Rommel foolishly disregarding the General Staff's better wisdom chose to go on offensive stretching the German lines.

Haha. Well pray tell what was the Russian way post WW2 occupation? Democracy? Were all the countries I showed you democratic after Russia finished with them? Stop obfuscating the issue, a simple yes or no will suffice, but you wont answer, because you know you cant.


I don't generalize a nation like this, I seriously have no idea what a russian or german or french or korean way is, you seem to be expert on that.
Neither I ask or provide bullshit evidences like this.

Fail.

AGREEMENT ON CONTROL MACHINERY IN AUSTRIA;
according to this agreement, the Governments of the USA, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the UK and the Provisional Government of the French Republic decided that after the liberation from the nazis, Austria would be free to organize election for a new government in a "free and independent state".


Almost same deal was prepared for Germany too but Soviet occupation zone in Germany became commie but Soviet occupation zone in Austria didn't. Oh, and even if this is true and there was no such deal for Germany, this very example (regardless of any reason) makes your assertion false that soviet occupation de facto meant that nation becoming communist. For the fourth time apart from Austria Finland was also defeated once again by USSR in ww2 but didn't forced them to become commie.

And finally for the 7th (or its 8th?) time, you still haven't provided one single shred of evidence that Soviet Union was planning to force communism on Finland. I am sure if its so obvious to you, there must be some sort of evidence.
#14351593
fuser wrote:It came from Hitler? That's your argument because we all know what a military Genius Hitler was. You yourself are saying that German logistics was in deep trouble (even before invading Egypt) specially because of British forces present in Malta. But still with constrained supply lines, invading Egypt was a better option? Also, fyi British navy didn't had total supremacy in Mediterranean at this point of time, reinforcements for axis were able to make their way from Europe, similarly RM was still alive and Germany had managed to achieve local air superiority over malta and that's precisely why Paratroopers were assembled by German general staff but they were used by Rommel in his disastrous drive towards Egypt

I am not your bud and try to read more carefully next time. I never claimed anything like that and for the last time there was no German resources and supplies on malta because it was in British hand. German supply lines were stretched in North Africa because Rommel foolishly disregarding the General Staff's better wisdom chose to go on offensive stretching the German lines.

Precisely genius! Brittish hands, British sea superiority, manning an island, at sea! It wasn't Rommels decision to make! Hitler did not have much confidence in the success of an attack on Malta, mainly because Italian paratroops would have the decisive role.

fuser wrote:I don't generalize a nation like this, I seriously have no idea what a russian or german or french or korean way is, you seem to be expert on that.
Neither I ask or provide bullshit evidences like this.

Christ, talk about sidestepping the issue, The onus is on you to prove that I am generalising, you can start by showing me which countries were allowed democracies after Soviet occupation lol

fuser wrote:Almost same deal was prepared for Germany too but Soviet occupation zone in Germany became commie but Soviet occupation zone in Austria didn't. Oh, and even if this is true and there was no such deal for Germany, this very example (regardless of any reason) makes your assertion false that soviet occupation de facto meant that nation becoming communist. For the fourth time apart from Austria Finland was also defeated once again by USSR in ww2 but didn't forced them to become commie.

And finally for the 7th (or its 8th?) time, you still haven't provided one single shred of evidence that Soviet Union was planning to force communism on Finland. I am sure if its so obvious to you, there must be some sort of evidence.

Haha, even if this were true? Not a single shred of evidence?? Despite the list of territories provided? LOL Haha, Your denialism knows no bounds. Im done wasting my time.
#14351685
Precisely genius! Brittish hands, British sea superiority, manning an island, at sea! It wasn't Rommels decision to make! Hitler did not have much confidence in the success of an attack on Malta, mainly because Italian paratroops would have the decisive role.


Precisely? What precisely? Are you sure you are reading what I am typing? There was no complete British Naval superiority at that time period.

Final decision was obviously Hitler's to make, hence all success and failures should be credited to him only? But I am going to spell it out for last time, Rommel argued for drive towards Egypt (which Hitler approved) while Albert argued for invasion of Malta (which Hitler didn't). One of the major factor for it was closeness of Rommel with Hitler.

Christ, talk about sidestepping the issue, The onus is on you to prove that I am generalising,


Who wrote "its the Russian way"? then. Its not generalizing.

you can start by showing me which countries were allowed democracies after Soviet occupation lol


Which are already given, Austria and Finland. You can obviously pretend that no examples has been given just like you can pretend that Earth is flat, doesn't make them any true.

Haha, even if this were true? Not a single shred of evidence?? Despite the list of territories provided? LOL Haha, Your denialism knows no bounds. Im done wasting my time.


List of Territories? How is that an evidence for Soviet intention of forcing communism on Finland during winter war.
I see, still no evidence.
#14353958
First of all, the greatest "tactitions" in the world were ghandi, mlk, Mandela, bhuto and the like. At least when the goal is bettering humanity and not killing for the kings gold.

With that said, how about Fidel Castro? Of course, if Nixon were president and Dulles got his way... we would have a glowing Cuba.

Or ho Chi min, or the Seminoles, or anyone that has ever fought the hegemonic powers that be. Taliban even. Those poor dummys fight for every side and still come out dead and despised.

Like anyone involved in unnecessary killing should be.

Oh also boudica!

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