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What are the principal reasons for not giving people great educations?

Because great educations are too expensive and require too many sacrifices from taxpayers?
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13%
Because great educations are expensive in some other resource?
2
8%
Because they are not as necessary as time goes by?
1
4%
Because not everyone can use a fine education?
2
8%
Because education is something that should be left up to parents only to determine?
No votes
0%
Because teachers have too many unions and are not pressured out for incompetence from the system?
2
8%
Because the only people worthy of a great education are the middle class and the wealthy?
No votes
0%
Education is just hard. Administering it, delivering it and implementing it? Too hard. Got to give up on educating people. A pain in the ass.
2
8%
Other
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50%
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4cal wrote:I'll turn it around. "Giving" is the wrong thing to do. PhD's just don't happen. She or he decided they wanted to pursue X and if a PhD was necessary to obtain it...they went after it.

Now, is your question, "What is the principal reasons for not giving people the same opportunity to pursue great educations"? Because then I think you're on to something. What is the reason? There are many reasons I guess. I'm hoping this isn't it but the old adage that goes like this seems to be at work:
"Nothing changes because those that can change the situation have too much invested in maintaining the status quo."

Just some thoughts on this....

We should forget trying to define education....some of the most successful people never went to college.
We should forget trying to define success....some of the happiest people I know are wage earners and you wouldn't call them runaway successes
We should forget trying to define happiness...what satisfies you is not what may satisfy me.

So what should we do? I think we should provide experiences galore for kids. Show them Yosemite; what the ocean looks like; overnight at an observatory; visit the industrial farms to understand that what you see on your plate has roots (pardon the pun) somewhere that involves people who get their hands dirty both with dirt and the blood of pigs and cows. See transportation up close, how stuff is transported around the nation. Push the kids to not only study for the test but learn why there is a Yosemite Valley, why the Oceans are so active at some points and so placid at others, get a feel for the distant planets and heavenly bodies.... Many kids won't care about the trip to the observatory or to the distribution hub but some will. I bet you get some process engineers out of


4cal, for me? The society has to start investing in its people. All of its people. My chief complaint is about too many people who don't get any opportunities to be an educated person. For many, many reasons. Got to stop wasting human potential. The 'excuse' they give is about---too expensive. Can't educate youngsters from the working class because those people have bad habits, and are surrounded by people with the wrong habits. Too hard. Can't get teachers who are qualified and do that job because let us face it? Some great teacher who speaks ten languages and knows how to teach science, math and difficult concepts is not going to accept some shit poverty wage in a ghetto. So? Let us give up on that and settle for shit. Etc etc.

There is lack of political will, lack of social will and lack of economic will, and because of that? We waste MILLIONS of human potentials and it is a deliberate lack of effort. That is my point.

When are we going to stop doing that? WHEN?
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4cal, the problem is that the 'money' is not equitable. It is not. You got rich tax districts and poor tax districts. You tell a state? Ok people. ALL COUNTIES get the same budget for education. The ghettos are going to get the same as Beverly hills districts. ALL EVEN STEVEN SPENDING. Next, teachers are going to be only the best and the brightest and we are going to follow the methods of the most educated, best and brightest and best result education systems in the world. That means? Finland, Germany, etc. and combine them into something that gives us RESULTS.

You can't do that 4cal. You run into lack of political will, bullshit and rich people screaming about sharing their money with ghetto schools.

Somehow you think every school in the USA is spending the same amount on each student. They aren't. They spend nothing or next to nothing in very poor and fucked up ghetto areas of the USA and huge amounts on rich neighborhoods. I don't know where you have been all these years....the system has not changed in that respect for generations.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... ls/497333/

If this was not the case? You would not have real estate brokers stating in their home sales pitches, "Good school district" what does that mean? That the schools have a great tax base and are not run down, overcrowded schools with no resources and bad performing schools in standardized tests.

Ask upper middle class parents why they don't let their children attend schools that are failing and have crime, gangs, and sheer shit in the school? Because they know if they do let their kids go there? Most probably will have the same results as many all Black, all Latino and all poverty ridden schools. High dropout rates and a bunch of semi literate children getting through a diploma mill and then trying to go to college and they don't have the basic skills to get through four years of university studies because they were not taught the skills necessary in reading comprehension, writing, math or science or anything that is standard educational procedure for other schools with the means, the staff and the resources.

I would believe what you said 4cal if the money were being distributed equitably and the kids still were failing. But that has not been the case so far. The poor are not getting educated. Systemically failed is what they receive. WHY? Well the excuse is...too hard. Immigrants. Don't speak English at home. The parents are illiterate semi literate dumbells and they produce dumbell children. Nothing to be done by that. Too many drugs, crime, ect.

Let us be real here 4cal. There have been many many schools who used to SUCK academically. Then are turned around and become great performing schools with the same type of student attending. Poor, low income and minority. That 'challenge' has been conquered. Then why don't they do that successful strategy all across the entire system? Because THEY LACK THE POLITICAL, SOCIAL and ECONOMIC will to do so. They don't want to do it! Plain and simple. Why? Because the 'system' is meant to keep these supposedly 'inferior' folk DOWN and OUT. It is a deliberate and systemic need to not share resources or education in a way that is EQUAL. No can do.

The solution is there. No one wants to implement it. That is the problem.
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Let us be real here 4cal. There have been many many schools who used to SUCK academically. Then are turned around and become great performing schools with the same type of student attending. Poor, low income and minority. That 'challenge' has been conquered. Then why don't they do that successful strategy all across the entire system? Because THEY LACK THE POLITICAL, SOCIAL and ECONOMIC will to do so.

Great education requires, among other things, political and social will..
Sounds like an "other" resource.

Option 2: Because great educations are expensive in some other resource?

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