[Donna]

Other: Any form of liberalism.

Woah there, son.

There's actually a fairly dynamic relationship between liberalism and revolutionary left politics...actually, the liberals need us in order to continue re-imposing itself.

Remember, the far left had some hand in creating that beast.

Look a liberal in the eye and you will see what I mean. I dare you.

[Figlio di Moros]

Neoliberalism (Friedman)

Basically Neoliberalism, also known as economic-treason-as-ideology, is the greatest enemy to nationalists... The Communists and Socialists are obviously also a problem, but they are lower priority simply because they are not very strong at the moment, and because I think they are all also focussing on Neoliberalism as their enemy too.

In terms of the greatest current enemy to humanity as whole, the Neoliberal structure is still that at this exact moment, because Neoliberalism has figured out how to talk about rule of law and pacifism and voluntarism, while simultaneously perpetrating incredible systematic violence behind closed doors. Masked violence is always more craven and insidious than open violence, and that's why Neoliberalism has managed to become far more abusive than any of its rivals could've dreamed of.

I would disagree that it's "violent", but rather point out its decadence as the root of the rot. It's only concern for social ills are a) the business profit it can recieve from them, or b) those paigned by those ills wanting their share of decadence without sacrifice. If we intend to make a meaningful progress, we need to recognize the two-fold decadence of plutocracy and entitlement culture.

That said, Liberalism is certainly the most dangerous for the aforementioned reasons. The leftists often promote unworkable or degenerative ideologies, but for those reasons they fail to be a threat. Their only true threat is the ideas or legitimacy they hand to welfare liberalism.

[Nets]

So this thread is basically "which ideology do you dislike the most?"

I'd have to say Ayn Rand style libertarianism. Socialism is pretty high on my list though. I have a very strong aversion to most strains of leftism. I can appreciate the authoritarian commies like Vera Politica and Potemkin because I think their vision is more honest and more coherent than the libertarian/anarchist commies. Wishy washy cultural relativism and knee-jerk anti market positions drive me nuts though.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

Woah there, son.

There's actually a fairly dynamic relationship between liberalism and revolutionary left politics...actually, the liberals need us in order to continue re-imposing itself.

Remember, the far left had some hand in creating that beast.

Look a liberal in the eye and you will see what I mean. I dare you.

There are/were some positive aspects to liberalism, one of the most pressing being that it is expediting the process of development of the means of production into something akin to a global scale, but facts remain that liberalism- or the status quo, if you will- in a long view will wind up being the thing that keeps us from developing beyond global capitalism and towards an international proletariat. In a sense, liberalism is useful to the ruling elite, because it fracture the international bonds of the proletariat. It creates an "as long as I get mine..." mentality. Even if conditions, on aggregate, are negative for the proletariat of a country, the relative comfort that many live in will lend itself towards complacency. Even the idea that relative comfort is possible with enough effort and luck is tantalizing enough to keep a majority in line.

Not just that, but I object to liberal ideas on education, liberation, and societal structure.

[eugenekop]

In Israel the most dangerous ideology is social liberalism, because by being too dovish and "tolerant" it kills a lot of Jews. But in general I wouldn't say any kind of ideology is really dangerous in a democratic country, and in non democratic countries any ideology can be dangerous.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

If we're talking about Israel, then clearly the most dangerous ideology is Zionism.

[eugenekop]

Yeah, if only Jews were not around:

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[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

Yes, if only the Jews had never stolen Palestinian land.

[eugenekop]

Yes, if only the Jews had never stolen Palestinian land.

That's right, a land of David, Shlomo, the land of two temples and countless wars in which Jews died, a land that every Jew has prayed to return it for 2000 years, it is a Palestinian land. Yeah that makes sense.

CartEdit: You people have a whole sub-forum of your very own to whinge about Zionism/Anti-Zionism. DO NOT derail this thread with it.

[NYYS]

Aye, that it needs to be an international movement.

When I down 15 drinks I can't drive a car without wrapping it around a tree. The problem is I haven't had enough to drink, maybe I should have a few more and then I'll drive perfectly!

[Kman]

When I down 15 drinks I can't drive a car without wrapping it around a tree. The problem is I haven't had enough to drink, maybe I should have a few more and then I'll drive perfectly!

[Holt]

Hopefully, Communism poses the biggest threat to the present world order. Otherwise we're in for trouble.

[Dagoth Ur]

^ this.

Also voted neoliberalism.

[Kman]

SCARY NEOLIBERALISM..... cant have people making their own choices as to how to spend their money. No we need our benevolent overlords from the state telling us what school to send our children to and what job we should do, we need this because we are little children incapable of intellectual thinking.

[Captain Sam]

Neoliberalism creates wage slavery, war profiteering and the belief that anything that can't generate profit shouldn't exist. Neoliberalism very quickly leads to Corporatocracy (though the spread of Neoliberalism is related to corporate power).

[LehmanB]

Authoritarians are my rivals. Though despite making harm for the individual, they motivate the humanity forword since without grouping we wouldn't survive or develope as well.

Whom frightenent me more? - it would be leftists authoritarians (communists and socialists). Since this is the ultimate authotorianism. When its rightist (capitalists) authotorian- they allow some freedom for the individual.

So I have voted 'Communism'.

[Jackal]

Other.

Tea Partyism.

[LehmanB]

NeoLieberalists could never rule the society. And you see there are rarely polititians from them. Except for Loui the 16
(which I do apretiate as a good king if people would listen to him).

Leftists are authotorian by nature- even if they possess anarchism title. Neolieberalists won't enslave since they will allow their subordinates to develope and rise. The option to get out, is what distinguishes it from slavory. And the fact they do not really rule others- since they are truely individuals- will ensure they will not properly supervise the mob.

[The Clockwork Rat]

Leftists are authotorian by nature- even if they possess anarchism title.

What?

[Captain Sam]

NeoLieberalists could never rule the society. And you see there are rarely polititians from them. Except for Loui the 16
(which I do apretiate as a good king if people would listen to him).

Leftists are authotorian by nature- even if they possess anarchism title. Neolieberalists won't enslave since they will allow their subordinates to develope and rise. The option to get out, is what distinguishes it from slavory. And the fact they do not really rule others- since they are truely individuals- will ensure they will not properly supervise the mob.

You're not making any sense.