Is violence ever justified?

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Is violence ever justified?#13767295

By Fasces - 28 Jul 2011 12:19

- 28 Jul 2011 12:19 #13767295

Is violence ever justified in the pursuit of political goals?

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By Thompson_NCL - 28 Jul 2011 12:44

- 28 Jul 2011 12:44 #13767301

YES - By any actor

But that doesn't mean ALL violence is justified.

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By Cartertonian - 28 Jul 2011 13:31

- 28 Jul 2011 13:31 #13767321

Wot Thompson said.

Additional caveat to his, though...

Just because it may be justified does not mean that it is always justified. If your use of violence to political ends is to, say, subjugate entire other groups of people - take Sadaam and the Ba'ath party's violence against Iraq's Shia population, for example - that would not be justified.

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By Hamster - 28 Jul 2011 13:44

- 28 Jul 2011 13:44 #13767324

Yes, by any actor

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By Doug64 - 28 Jul 2011 13:49

- 28 Jul 2011 13:49 #13767326

Yes, by any actor. Any society not based on this will soon be divided between sheep and wolves.

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By Dave - 28 Jul 2011 14:13

- 28 Jul 2011 14:13 #13767332

Yes, but only between states.

I'd rather not return to the pre-Westphalian days.

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By Bosnjak - 28 Jul 2011 14:15

- 28 Jul 2011 14:15 #13767333

Other, depends on the motive.

When a state is not-democratic, then is every form violence against this kind of state justified.

In a democracy, no, you have no reason to do violence in a democracy, you can change your society by elections.

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By Chill - 28 Jul 2011 15:34

- 28 Jul 2011 15:34 #13767365

Bosnjak wrote:In a democracy, no, you have no reason to do violence in a democracy, you can change your society by elections.

This should be in today's top ten news...

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By Oxymoron - 28 Jul 2011 15:54

- 28 Jul 2011 15:54 #13767372

yes voilence is justified in some cases.

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By Daktoria - 28 Jul 2011 15:59

- 28 Jul 2011 15:59 #13767374

Gotta love a thread about justification where no justifications are given. :roll:

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By Fitzcarraldo - 28 Jul 2011 16:02

- 28 Jul 2011 16:02 #13767377

Yes, but only between states.

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By Andropov - 28 Jul 2011 16:06

- 28 Jul 2011 16:06 #13767383

What does it mean for something to be "justified"?

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By Oxymoron - 28 Jul 2011 16:12

- 28 Jul 2011 16:12 #13767387

personal opinion andropov, If I feel like punching someone in the face I will do so.

Poverty is a Mind Set.

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By Chill - 28 Jul 2011 16:39

- 28 Jul 2011 16:39 #13767404

Oxymoron wrote:If I feel like punching someone in the face I will do so.

So does the police.

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By Daktoria - 28 Jul 2011 16:45

- 28 Jul 2011 16:45 #13767406

Andropov wrote:What does it mean for something to be "justified"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_set_theory

Basically, justification is that which makes a certain category of entities or events distinguishable from what already exists.

Ergo, aggression is unjustified because a world ruled by aggression reverts the status of people to natural objects such that there's no reason to acknowledge aggressive people as even existing.

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By Allerton - 28 Jul 2011 16:55

- 28 Jul 2011 16:55 #13767417

Yes - By any actor.

Of course, it varies from case to case. As a society, we tolerate a certain level of violence to either maintain or change the status quo.

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By U184 - 28 Jul 2011 16:59

- 28 Jul 2011 16:59 #13767421

Other> Yes.

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By Andropov - 28 Jul 2011 17:12

- 28 Jul 2011 17:12 #13767427

Other- If the violence benefits civilization, yes, and if it doesn't, no.

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By Wolfman - 28 Jul 2011 17:52

- 28 Jul 2011 17:52 #13767448

Other: only under certain conditions, and the conditions are different based on the actor.

State Actors are only justified in using violence if it is in the protection of the State (but not necessarily the Government)

Non-State Actors are only justified in using violence if the actions of the government are objectively damaging the State, and legal means have been exhausted.