- 21 Dec 2016 20:02
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Voter fraud exists because there are known cases where people have been convicted. Even the website you linked doesn't claim that voter fraud doesn't exist.
Does the term scientific convey magical powers?
The true number of any crime tends to be higher than the number of cases that come to our attention, and the number of convictions will usually be even lower. We often try to estimate the real number and while this is always problematic, we can get at least some information if there are victims. For victimless crimes our estimates are often not much better than a mere guess.
Let me ask you if you believe that the number of white collar crimes that we have evidence for reflects the real number.
My favourite part is the idea that since there will always be some crime we must change the system in such a way that committing crime is even easier. Let's open up the system for abuse!
NeoYeo wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
"Voter fraud exists because you can't prove it doesn't."
Voter fraud exists because there are known cases where people have been convicted. Even the website you linked doesn't claim that voter fraud doesn't exist.
NeoYeo wrote:
If voter fraud was a widespread issue, then scientific studies on the matter would show so. I just spent a few minutes going through what conservatives say is voter fraud, and not a single issue would have been resolves with voter ID. Most of them have to do with mail in ballots, where a photo ID is not required. Or instances where if it is occurring, we can prevent it using other methods which don't prevent living, actual people from voting.
My favorite part about this idea that somehow voter fraud will be what prevents some machine from stealing an election is that, for some reason, the only thing that such a political machine can't do is produce fake ID's. You know, that thing many college kids have. Give me a fucking break.
Does the term scientific convey magical powers?
The true number of any crime tends to be higher than the number of cases that come to our attention, and the number of convictions will usually be even lower. We often try to estimate the real number and while this is always problematic, we can get at least some information if there are victims. For victimless crimes our estimates are often not much better than a mere guess.
Let me ask you if you believe that the number of white collar crimes that we have evidence for reflects the real number.
My favourite part is the idea that since there will always be some crime we must change the system in such a way that committing crime is even easier. Let's open up the system for abuse!
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"
Richard Feynman
Richard Feynman