MememyselfandIJK wrote:This use of sensational argument...
I use factual arguments, statistics and witness accounts. You try to whitewash the crimes of the Commie-Bolsheviks, diminish their crimes and even rationalize them. You spit in the face of the descendants of victims and survivors, and you can get away with it, because there is no law that prohibits this denial of history.
MememyselfandIJK wrote:I'm assuming you mean Trotsky.
I mean Лев Дави́дович Тро́цкий, born Lev Davidovich Bronstein, and his colleagues, who were sent to Russia and financed by the Wall-street banksters.
At these times, there were numerous reports that Cheka interrogators utilized torture methods which were, according to Orlando Figes, "matched only by the Spanish Inquisition."[27] At Odessa the Cheka tied White officers to planks and slowly fed them into furnaces or tanks of boiling water; in Kharkiv, scalpings and hand-flayings were commonplace: the skin was peeled off victims' hands to produce "gloves"; the Voronezh Cheka rolled naked people around in barrels studded internally with nails; victims were crucified or stoned to death at Dnipropetrovsk; the Cheka at Kremenchuk impaled members of the clergy and buried alive rebelling peasants; in Orel, water was poured on naked prisoners bound in the winter streets until they became living ice statues; in Kiev, Chinese Cheka detachments placed rats in iron tubes sealed at one end with wire netting and the other placed against the body of a prisoner, with the tubes being heated until the rats gnawed through the victim's body in an effort to escape.[28]
Executions took place in prison cellars or courtyards, or occasionally on the outskirts of town, during the Red Terror and Russian Civil War. After the condemned were stripped of their clothing and other belongings, which were shared among the Cheka executioners, they were either machine-gunned in batches or dispatched individually with a revolver. Those killed in prison were usually shot in the back of the neck as they entered the execution cellar, which became littered with corpses and soaked with blood. Victims killed outside the town were moved by truck, bound and gagged, to their place of execution, where they sometimes were made to dig their own graves.[29]
According to Edvard Radzinsky, "it became a common practice to take a husband hostage and wait for his wife to come and purchase his life with her body".[3] During Decossackization, there were massacres, according to historian Robert Gellately, "on an unheard of scale". The Pyatigorsk Cheka organized a "day of Red Terror" to execute 300 people in one day, and took quotas from each part of town. According to the Chekist Karl Lander, the Cheka in Kislovodsk, "for lack of a better idea," killed all the patients in the hospital. In October 1920 alone more than 6,000 people were executed. Gellately adds that Communist leaders "sought to justify their ethnic-based massacres by incorporating them into the rubric of the 'class struggle'".[30]
Members of the clergy were subjected to particularly brutal abuse. According to documents cited by the late Alexander Yakovlev, then head of the Presidential Committee for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, priests, monks and nuns were crucified, thrown into cauldrons of boiling tar, scalped, strangled, given Communion with melted lead and drowned in holes in the ice.[31] An estimated 3,000 were put to death in 1918 alone.[31]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
There are a number of reports about the involvement of Chinese detachments in the Russian Revolution and Russian Civil War. Chinese served as bodyguards of Bolshevik functionaries,[1][2] served in the Cheka,[3] and even formed complete regiments of the Red Army.[4]
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In 1918, Dmitri Gavronsky, a member of the Russian Constituent Assembly, asserted that the Bolsheviks based their power chiefly on foreign support. He asserted that, "in Moscow, they have at their disposal 16,000 well-armed Lettish soldiers, some detachments of Finnish Red Guards and a large battalion of Chinese troops." Gavronsky added that "The latter are always used for executions."[21]
In his book Between Red and White, Leon Trotsky makes sarcastic reference to the charge that the Soviets held Petrograd and Moscow "by the aid of 'Lettish, Chinese, German and Bashkir regiments'".[22]
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The Red Army commander Iona Yakir headed a Chinese detachment guarding Lenin and Trotsky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_i ... _Civil_War
As we see, Lenin and Trotsky were guarded by Chinese, and these people had to be payed.
Where did the Bolsheviks get the money to pay for foreign sadists, like Chinese?
Well, this money came from Wall Street banksters.
MememyselfandIJK wrote: Trotsky was someone who harshly fought Stalin's rule, reconciling forces worldwide to do so (In what is the fourth international).
Of course!
Trotsky was an instrument of globalist banksters, his task was a "world revolution", that would be a pre- condition for a world government. And any government, even the world government, needs money. Do not forget, that these bloody Bolsheviks did not abolish the financial system, they got the money from the American banksters.
Stalin was not a globalist, he did not like the idea of World Government under the guidance of international banksters.
But did this make Stalin worse than Trotzsy? Trotsky was at least as sadistic, as Stalin.
MememyselfandIJK wrote:Are we going to bring up death tolls then? Russian records show that gulags worked more like modern prisons then death camps (source 1).
Another prove that you whitewash and diminish the crimes of Communism, and you can get away with your denial of history. You spit in the face of the victims, you shit on their graves, but this is not hate speech, they call this "freedom of speech". But if some scientists argues that he does not agree with the officially accepted history of WWII, he will be put behind bars in countries, that call themselves "free countries".
Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.
We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.
Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.
In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 99,00.html
MememyselfandIJK wrote:Please read the sources and actually construct an argument
You have the nerve to ask me to read your hate sources?
Do you speak Russian? I do not need an interpretor, I can read the needed documents in their original version.
If somebody would paste in this forum links to sources that question the accepted version of some events of WWII, he would be persecuted and put into prison, and all these sources would be called "hate sources", even if they were presented by Youtube.
Amazon was recently forced to remove all books that question the accepted version of some events of WWII.
But if somebody tries to whitewash or even glorifies the crimes of Commie-Bolsheviks, he can get away with it.
The double standard is right in your face, is it not obvious that some victims and some perpetrators are more "equal" than others?
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