[mikema63]

Let's do a census and see how the political demographics run out.

[Pants-of-dog]

When you exclude democratic socialists from socialism, do you mean social democrats (a la Bernie Sanders or progressive liberals) or do you mean socialists who believe that the path to socialism can and must be done through democratic means (Allende, for example)?

[mikema63]

Social Democrats. In the US people use the term Democratic socialist for the Bernie position. Sorry for being unclear and US centric.

[Decky]

If you are going to purge democratic socialists from socialism you need to give them their own spot between left liberal (social democrat in real English) and socialist. Remember social democrats and democratic socialists are a different things (but they are both wrong).

[Pants-of-dog]

Social Democrats. In the US people use the term Democratic socialist for the Bernie position. Sorry for being unclear and US centric.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Well I dont know I could be considered right wing liberal but I dont accept homosexualism
so I have no idea

[Decky]

Who does that matter? Most liberals throughout history have hated gays, look at the French revolutionaries or the American founding fathers.

[SolarCross]

I am not sure "alt-right" is exactly a philosophy in itself but more a general term for people who take pleasure in trolling SJWs. I maybe wrong about that but that is my impression anyway.

Otherwise I can't decide but don't want to put "other" as that is a wasted vote. I guess my ideal society would be one where civilians could pretty much live how they liked according to their personal individual requirements but couldn't leverage the government to mess around with others too much, so very liberal to the point of being libertarian but not democratic. The government would organise a military but otherwise be fairly aloof from how the rest of us lived providing we did not disturb the peace. In a way this would not even be a new kind of governance but really governance as it has been almost everywhere up until the great totalitarian age of the 20th century.

That might be a special subset of libertarian or a kind of right-liberal, I don't know really.

[Zionist Nationalist]

ok so I vote right liberal thats the closest thing

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

Social Democrats. In the US people use the term Democratic socialist for the Bernie position. Sorry for being unclear and US centric.

This may sound nitpicky, but that's like creating a poll and lumping Democrats in with socialists & communists just because some people don't understand words. Democratic socialist is not the same thing as a social democrat, and both terms are very different. The only people who call Bernie Sanders a socialist (and yeah, I know he has called himself a socialist) or a democratic socialist are people who also don't understand words.

[Decky]

Yea, I agree Solar Cross. I don't know why Mike made fascist and alt right a separate thing.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

We should make a poll with some arbitrary definitions and categorization for well-defined political terms and ideologies and say it's because it's [country name here]-centric.

I am not sure "alt-right" is exactly a philosophy in itself but more a general term for people who take pleasure in trolling SJWs. I maybe wrong about that but that is my impression anyway.

Agreed: it really isn't beyond people who identify as Alt-Right being conservative to varying degrees. It's also a fairly correct observation as well that some people who identify as Alt-Right on the internet do it mostly in order to troll rather than any political expression on their part beyond trolling and being adolescent. It's not really an ideology because the only commonality is "trolling SJWs for the lulz."

[mikema63]

Not to be nitpicky but you are coming off way harder than just nitpicky.

It's an informal poll damnit.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

Take the hazing, boy!

[Decky]

Meh you are the one who can't use basic political terminology, it is not nit picky at all. You are describing Sanders (a capitalist who would be unremarkable on the centre right of any developed nation apart from the US) as a democratic socialist.

[SolarCross]

Yea, I agree Solar Cross. I don't know why Mike made fascist and alt right a separate thing.

There are a lot of fascists in the "alt right".. but then maybe that is part of the trolling of SJWs? What else triggers an SJW more than fascism?

[Pants-of-dog]

I am not sure "alt-right" is exactly a philosophy in itself but more a general term for people who take pleasure in trolling SJWs. I maybe wrong about that but that is my impression anyway.

Otherwise I can't decide but don't want to put "other" as that is a wasted vote. I guess my ideal society would be one where civilians could pretty much live how they liked according to their personal individual requirements but couldn't leverage the government to mess around with others too much, so very liberal to the point of being libertarian but not democratic. The government would organise a military but otherwise be fairly aloof from how the rest of us lived providing we did not disturb the peace. In a way this would not even be a new kind of governance but really governance as it has been almost everywhere up until the great totalitarian age of the 20th century.

That might be a special subset of libertarian or a kind of right-liberal, I don't know really.

You are a right wing liberal. Aka conservative.

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ok so I vote right liberal thats the closest thing

You seem more fascist or alt-right to me.

[Saeko]

Yea, I agree Solar Cross. I don't know why Mike made fascist and alt right a separate thing.

Because they are separate things.

The alt-right mainly consists of liberals and conservatives who oppose SJW's. It also includes extreme traditionalists and neo-reactionaries. These guys think that fascism is too "democratic".

[SolarCross]

Because they are separate things.

The alt-right mainly consists of liberals and conservatives who oppose SJW's. It also includes extreme traditionalists and neo-reactionaries. These guys think that fascism is too "democratic".

It does also include some healthy dollops of pure white pride ethno-nationalism aka fascists... So it's a grab bag of all sorts of people who like trolling SJWs and antifa-rts.

[Oxymandias]

I'm a Technocrat