Victoribus Spolia wrote:Whether or not gender roles are a social construct is part of what is being contended,
I am fairly sure that gender roles are defined as social constructs.
and I would say identity is the same thing.
Well, it's not the same thing, and I am not going to change the meaning of words.
Are traditional "masculine" roles determined, in any sense, by the biological make-up of the male-sex? Likewise, in deviant cases, is homosexual or transsexual behavior (which encompasses roles and identities) biologically determined in any sense?
Even in the example you used in an attempt to differentiate, the nature of identification assumes roles to a degree. For instance, a man who transitions to being a woman as a transgender phenomena will typically do more than augment their breasts and remove their male genitals, often they grown long hair and wear feminine clothing etc., and in fact, if told such a person that they could do the former physical changes but not the latter "social" changes, they often would not have transitioned at all as the physical augmentation was used as a means of acquiring the desired role. If this is the case, then whatever happens regarding transgenderism is not merely psychological, but has a lot to do with roles as socially defined, and those "stereotypical" roles are argued to have direct relationships to biological determinisms by many and not without warrant: e.g. men are larger and have higher aggression due to testosterone, so is the "machismo" culture in Latin America purely social then?. Women have higher levels of empathy and bear offspring, so is the "role" of homemaker "purely" and "only" social, or has biology informed this role? How does this explain men transitioning from one identity to the other?
I am not making an argument either way at this point, I am just defending why this is a good poll, and (in point of fact), the mixed results in the polling data seem to indicate that this is an actual point of confusion and contention among PoFo members.
Yes, people on this site are often confused, and some do not even know or accept the difference between sex and gender.
Making a poll out of it actually reinforces the notion that these things are not already clearly defined and that their opinion about it is just as important as empirical reality.
But since the defintions of these words are not based on the feelings of Pofoites, I have no idea whynthis is a poll, unless you want to determine how mnay PoFoites are incorrect about this.
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in...