[Sivad]

If I were to talk about Conservatives like that,it'd be just as stupid.

It'd be just as correct. I'm not a conservative and I don't listen to infowars.

[Godstud]

You statements are ignorant,arrogant, and completely bullshit.

[skinster]

Settle down Godstud, liberalism is shit.

You want to pretend that the establishment isn't a lying, thieving, murdering syndicate of psychopathic bullshit artists then be prepared for jeers and sneers.

Indeed.

As predicted, mike is going through the 'just curious' routine.

[Godstud]

Right, just like right wing Conservativism is all Seig Heils! I forgot.

[Sivad]

As predicted, mike is going through the 'just curious' routine.

[skinster]

I agree, Godstud.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who did or didn't do it since I'm against intervention anyway. I happen to think that someone in the regime did it and think that intervention is an exercise in pointless brutality at the same time.

And this displays how ignorant you are about this issue, since the US has been involved in "intervention" in Syria for years before the war went official in the MSM in 2011/12.

The war on Syria was a US/NATO/GCC war on Syria, never a "revolution" and the chemical weapons attack in KS was a false flag.

[Godstud]

The war on Syria was a US/NATO/GCC war on Syria, never a "revolution" and the chemical weapons attack in KS was a false flag.

That is 100% correct. It was painted as such to conceal the Wests's complicity in the war. Funding and weapon shipments from the west fueled the Syrian "revolution"(which is nothing of the kind).

[Sivad]

You statements are ignorant,arrogant, and completely bullshit.

Because I don't give people who are blatantly lying, thieving, and murdering the benefit of the doubt? A lot of people are too close to the culture to see it for it what it is. When we look back on British Imperialism it's obvious that the fuckers running that system were bloody vicious monsters, but you're average 19th century middle class Englishman held them all in high regard as honorable gentlemen and felt that on the whole the system was right and proper. Nobody thinks they're complicit global savagery, but through out history most middle class people have been.

[Godstud]

The problem, Sivad, is that you seek to paint all "liberalism" as this, when that's clearly not the case. I, like you, am against Imperialism. I am a liberal, but not the SJW hipster type who have no common sense.

[skinster]

[Godstud]

Exactly, Skinster.

Wait... what?

[skinster]

You appear to be taking Sivad's criticism of the system that's currently running the show, personally. This isn't about you (or me. or Sivad...).

[Godstud]

No, but if you generalize about a person when talking to them, you are actually making it personal, especially when you include them within that definition.

[skinster]

Sivad was clearly talking about "liberalism" and "the establishment".

You made it about you.

[demima]

Not Assad. Most likely rebels.

[Rich]

The war on Syria was a US/NATO/GCC war on Syria, never a "revolution"

Really, so somehow a tiny minority of CIA /Mossad recruited psychos equipped with small arms and a smattering of few anti tank and anti aircraft missiles were able to take on one of the biggest militaries in the world equipped with large numbers of tanks, trucks, artillery, bombers, and helicopters and capture three quarters of the country despite the fact that 90% of the Syrian people loved their leader Bashar Assad.

[skinster]

What?

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

It seems Rich thinks we think every single Islamist in Syria has a CIA handler and every single one was trained by the ghost of Dulles himself. Rich is a very smart guy so I can see why he came to that reasonable conclusion.

[Rich]

If you want to say that western politicians have been hypocritical moralisers, who have aided some very unsavoury people, and have happily cuddled up to extremely nasty regimes when it suited their purposes I have no dispute.

But many leftists (together with quite a few Conservatives and centrists) are saying that much, much more. That we are somehow responsible for destabilising these Muslim societies. That everything would have been lovely if we hadn't spoilt it with our interventions. This is nonsense. Iraq, Syria, Libya were all bitterly divided societies whose regimes were only maintained by the most brutal police terror. These regimes were pompous, dishonest, corrupt, inefficient. Wise or Foolish the Arab Spring was a mass popular movement of the Arab people.

Never forget that King Bashar's claim to the Syrian throne is totally based on his paternity. His father stood shoulder to shoulder with America in Desert Storm. Hafez Assad had no problem with Western intervention in 1991 as Saddam had no problem with western interventions when he was chumming it up with Donald Rumsfield. No we'll take no lectures from Baathists on western intervention.

[skinster]

What?