[Heisenberg]

I don't hate myself. I actually think I'm pretty great. I'm just not so insecure that I base all my self worth on my skin colour and then lose my shit when someone doesn't congratulate me enough for it.

[Politiks]

@Tainari88

Where you live and where you're from? Socialism is quite Fascist, even in the Democratic and Liberal form, in almost every country. Of course we have exceptions or at least periods of exception. Fascism isn't just control of free speech, press, or the police beating you down the street, being arrested for your opinions. What is happening in the UK, Germany and most of all Sweden is a form of Fascism that I know well because my country actually had dictators, Socialists, civil unrest, our freedom of speech was controlled in the past.

We enter a phase of subtle Fascism a couple years ago, maybe a decade, maybe 5 years, is getting worse there for is becoming noticeable.

If people like Ben Shapiro or Milo need security to arrive at a University or are prohibit to speak, that's for sure a form of Fascism. When Youtube pays less and controls the views of every single major youtuber that isn't pro-narrative that is indeed a form of Fascism.

This world is so crazy that a journalist like Abby Martin has more freedom in a State Russian Channel and a Mercosur State channel than in USA private TV networks. That is a form of Fascism.

Fascism starts slowly, controlling what you think, how you think, further controls what you can't and can say, what you can or not do in the most basic things. Then will start controlling bigger things in your life, in society until eats up your life.

We live in a world that Brazil, Argentina have more freedom than USA or Europe. Spain, Italy and Portugal remain more free than UK or Germany. Countries that never had a Fascist regime usually don't know how to fight it because they don't know how it looks like.

You call white men lazy, racist, while most freedoms you enjoy, the roads you drive, the cars you use to drive, the planes and boats you use, all that was created by the same white men (and women) you call lazy and borderline stupid. Fascist regimes were around since the beginning of time but Democracy, civil rights, women rights and human rights were indeed created by white people.

Feminism is a white creation. Socialism is a white creation because Bolivar predates Marx in a decade and he was a white men. Actually the oldest form of Socialism is traced to Portugal, a white country.

I see a extremely lazy person here and that person is you. You're so lazy you think freedom of speech and Democracy will always be there just because the current narrative fits your ideals so discriminating any other type of thought is taken as a right to you. I guess they didn't taught you in school your rights starts when mine ends, mine start when your ends.

People like you are cattle and a dangerous cattle that is pushing the world to a dangerous place, a place without freedom of thought or expression.

The worst part is that you don't even notice how brainwashed and dumb you sound, you actually feel morally and intellectually superior to others.

[Pants-of-dog]

Heisenberg wrote:
No, It Is Not Okay To Be White.

Producing white offspring should be banned, and existing white people should be driven into the sea.

So the only one you could find was obviously sarcastic, thus leaving us with the only logical option: no one actually said it was not okay to be white.

[Tainari88]

It is ok to be Latino, it is ok to be Black, it is ok to be Native American, it is ok to be Asian, it is ok to be a human being. If there are doubts that we are not human beings....before we are an ethnicity, a gender, an age, a creed, a nationality, a criminal, a saint....let them speak now or forever hold their peace.

Hee hee. I thought that might help clarify the 'controversy'. You know white is kind of a misnomer. I have never met a complete lack of pigment person except albinos. And they are human beings aren't they? White is generic. It doesn't tell you if you are Italian, or Greek, or Irish or English or Scot, or Welsh. It doesn't tell you your religion, or your interests, your politics, or your hobbies, it doesn't tell you your sexual orientation, or your favorite food and what your innermost values are....what does 'white' actually say about you? In any meaningful way @Pants-of-dog?

Not much does it?

@Politiks Feminism is a white creation. Socialism is a white creation because Bolivar predates Marx in a decade and he was a white men. Actually the oldest form of Socialism is traced to Portugal, a white country.

Portugal is the land of the people who are 'swarthy' for the Western Europeans. Part of the Roman Empire. Romans a very 'suspicious' race of people. Were they white? They might had some Arabs in there running around for centuries....what is White but some generic bullshit term made up by some people who don't even know what ethnicity they belonged to 200 years ago? Again, humanity is one species. Not two separate species. So everyone apparently has the same compatibility for humanity. The problem you have Politiks is that you don't study African history, or any history that doesn't fit into your world view. Why not? It might expand that mind of yours.

@Politiks, I think you got problems with the history of socialism. The first formal socialist in the formal sense of a contrast to capitalism was Gracchus Babeuf (conspiracy of the equals) those French people took their egalite very seriously. There was another Gracchus who was from BC and the ancient Roman Empire and he wanted to start taking from the rich and corrupt and give to the landless and poor. He wound up killed too. It seems to be a theme there in history. Challenge the rich? It is a very dangerous endeavor...I wonder why humans keep doing that in history? Bolivar was not a socialist. But Albert Einstein was. So was Jack London, and a whole bunch of people in history of great accomplishments. He was 'el libertador' and he died in Santa Marta in Colombia. He was a wealthy man and raised in a Hacienda with a Black nanny he loved very much. His philosophy was not a socialist one. It was mostly about expelling the Spanish colonizer. Most of South America had an active bourgeoisie that wanted to be free of the Spanish crown's control. The first real socialism in a formal sense and a modern sense came with the French Enlightenment. It was closely related to the emergence of capitalism that replaced feudalism in Europe. Bonaparte promised the French a new society, he was the great usurper. Declared himself Emperor. You should do a better job of studying the origins of all political philosophies.

Socialism has all sorts of manifestations. Social democrats, democratic socialists, Christian socialists (liberation theology comes from that tradition), scientific socialists (also known as Communists), utopian socialists, reformist socialists, and many other types. It is a big group with a lot of different types of socialist thought. You can start with Capital=where capital is the central topic of interest for running a society. Or social-as in human society is the big concern. I don't think capital as in property and labor and possessions and land are supposed to be more important than human beings. You might think so--I don't know. But for me? If all of humanity were done for tomorrow....? How important would be gold, buildings, investment, property or anything else without humans giving it some kind of value? Nothing in my opinion and in the analysis of all economists with some kind of intelligence. No humans? No value for all that shit. So humans should logically be the center of all wealth. If they are the center of all wealth then why are we wasting huge parts of human society by not being just and getting them educated, housed, fed and with medical assistance that they can be a part of without being in the hole for the rest of their lives? Because elite wealthy people got to be wasting them so that they can keep a large part of humanity in insecurity and in unemployment and in squalor and in chaos and in desperation and be able to do what? That is why I am a socialist. I don't like wasting human potential. Maybe you like that Politiks. But I don't.

The official big guy in modern fascism is Mussolini. And he wound up getting killed by a bunch of unhappy protestors...killed by a mob upset by all his wars and so on.....black shirts.

I don't care if you think I am dumb Politiks....I can say as a Right wing machista Uruguayo you don't know socialist history at all. You don't.

Oh, white people the only people who ever did anything worthwhile and who are the only prism by all people of all nationalities must measure themselves against? Most of the world was illiterate until the mid to late nineteenth century. Was it because they were dumb until someone started to create mass literacy campaigns?

Sorry @Politiks but in the USA if you run accross a bunch of white men with right wing thought? Uruguayos are a bunch of backward primitive low class people. Because if you speak Spanish? You work at Taco Bell. They are that stupid. Racism is a very sick state of being. You can run around the USA being an Uruguayan fascist or something trying to tell the white Americans how white you are? I don't know if they will accept your labels. I know I would think you foolish.
If you believe in elitism and all that jazz Politiks, then I hate to the bearer of bad news....Uruguay and all of South America is an afterthought Third World scene for the vast majority of the racist old pure white men who run the First World. Anything coming out of those places are the 'inferior' folks. If you like how those people think? Go have fun. Telling them how lily white you are and superior. I don't know...Uruguay sounds kind of exotic. U-ru-guay....Hmmm is it like Paraguay? Where they have an official language called Guarani? Are they European?

Those are the kinds of questions you are going to get from the very superior white racist American machista brainwashed men whom you are trying to do what for? I don't know. You are not I. I am not you.

[Buzz62]

So the only one you could find was obviously sarcastic, thus leaving us with the only logical option: no one actually said it was not okay to be white.

Just a sec POD...

It is ok to be Latino, it is ok to be Black, it is ok to be Native American, it is ok to be Asian, it is ok to be a human being. If there are doubts that we are not human beings....before we are an ethnicity, a gender, an age, a creed, a nationality, a criminal, a saint....let them speak now or forever hold their peace.

Oddly enough, that about sums it up. Let's not celebrate too quickly though...

Hee hee.

I thought that might help clarify the 'controversy'. You know white is kind of a misnomer. I have never met a complete lack of pigment person except albinos. And they are human beings aren't they? White is generic. It doesn't tell you if you are Italian, or Greek, or Irish or English or Scot, or Welsh. It doesn't tell you your religion, or your interests, your politics, or your hobbies, it doesn't tell you your sexual orientation, or your favorite food and what your innermost values are....what does 'white' actually say about you? In any meaningful way @Pants-of-dog?

This oughtta be good...
Can I give you a hint?
Look North.

Not much does it?

@Politiks Feminism is a white creation. Socialism is a white creation because Bolivar predates Marx in a decade and he was a white men. Actually the oldest form of Socialism is traced to Portugal, a white country.

Portugal is the land of the people who are 'swarthy' for the Western Europeans. Part of the Roman Empire. Romans a very 'suspicious' race of people. Were they white? They might had some Arabs in there running around for centuries....what is White but some generic bullshit term made up by some people who don't even know what ethnicity they belonged to 200 years ago? Again, humanity is one species. Not two separate species. So everyone apparently has the same compatibility for humanity. The problem you have Politiks is that you don't study African history, or any history that doesn't fit into your world view. Why not? It might expand that mind of yours.

Oops...here it comes...
Wanna borrow a soapbox?

@Politiks, I think you got problems with the history of socialism. The first formal socialist in the formal sense of a contrast to capitalism was Gracchus Babeuf (conspiracy of the equals) those French people took their egalite very seriously. There was another Gracchus who was from BC and the ancient Roman Empire and he wanted to start taking from the rich and corrupt and give to the landless and poor. He wound up killed too. It seems to be a theme there in history. Challenge the rich? It is a very dangerous endeavor...I wonder why humans keep doing that in history? Bolivar was not a socialist. But Albert Einstein was. So was Jack London, and a whole bunch of people in history of great accomplishments. He was 'el libertador' and he died in Santa Marta in Colombia. He was a wealthy man and raised in a Hacienda with a Black nanny he loved very much. His philosophy was not a socialist one. It was mostly about expelling the Spanish colonizer. Most of South America had an active bourgeoisie that wanted to be free of the Spanish crown's control. The first real socialism in a formal sense and a modern sense came with the French Enlightenment. It was closely related to the emergence of capitalism that replaced feudalism in Europe. Bonaparte promised the French a new society, he was the great usurper. Declared himself Emperor. You should do a better job of studying the origins of all political philosophies.

Socialism has all sorts of manifestations. Social democrats, democratic socialists, Christian socialists (liberation theology comes from that tradition), scientific socialists (also known as Communists), utopian socialists, reformist socialists, and many other types. It is a big group with a lot of different types of socialist thought. You can start with Capital=where capital is the central topic of interest for running a society. Or social-as in human society is the big concern. I don't think capital as in property and labor and possessions and land are supposed to be more important than human beings. You might think so--I don't know. But for me? If all of humanity were done for tomorrow....? How important would be gold, buildings, investment, property or anything else without humans giving it some kind of value? Nothing in my opinion and in the analysis of all economists with some kind of intelligence. No humans? No value for all that shit. So humans should logically be the center of all wealth. If they are the center of all wealth then why are we wasting huge parts of human society by not being just and getting them educated, housed, fed and with medical assistance that they can be a part of without being in the hole for the rest of their lives? Because elite wealthy people got to be wasting them so that they can keep a large part of humanity in insecurity and in unemployment and in squalor and in chaos and in desperation and be able to do what? That is why I am a socialist. I don't like wasting human potential. Maybe you like that Politiks. But I don't.

The official big guy in modern fascism is Mussolini. And he wound up getting killed by a bunch of unhappy protestors...killed by a mob upset by all his wars and so on.....black shirts.

I don't care if you think I am dumb Politiks....I can say as a Right wing machista Uruguayo you don't know socialist history at all. You don't.

Oh, white people the only people who ever did anything worthwhile and who are the only prism by all people of all nationalities must measure themselves against? Most of the world was illiterate until the mid to late nineteenth century. Was it because they were dumb until someone started to create mass literacy campaigns?

Sorry @Politiks but in the USA if you run accross a bunch of white men with right wing thought? Uruguayos are a bunch of backward primitive low class people. Because if you speak Spanish? You work at Taco Bell. They are that stupid. Racism is a very sick state of being. You can run around the USA being an Uruguayan fascist or something trying to tell the white Americans how white you are? I don't know if they will accept your labels. I know I would think you foolish.
If you believe in elitism and all that jazz Politiks, then I hate to the bearer of bad news....Uruguay and all of South America is an afterthought Third World scene for the vast majority of the racist old pure white men who run the First World. Anything coming out of those places are the 'inferior' folks. If you like how those people think? Go have fun. Telling them how lily white you are and superior. I don't know...Uruguay sounds kind of exotic. U-ru-guay....Hmmm is it like Paraguay? Where they have an official language called Guarani? Are they European?

Those are the kinds of questions you are going to get from the very superior white racist American machista brainwashed men whom you are trying to do what for? I don't know. You are not I. I am not you.

And after all this intellectual wax-job is concluded, what have we learned?
That someone doesn't like Americans very much. OK...don't blame ya much. I've come to pity them for the most part. Look what they're doing to their government and society. Its absolutely poisonous.
You do tend to generalize pretty heavily though. Not all Yankee men are "superior white racist American machista brainwashed men". And, perhaps, we've gotten a hint that you don't like men much.
I still have trouble figuring out what your blathering on about though. You made some sort of admonishment about not being up to speed on African history. Are you trying to say that knowing the history of Africa, would somehow give a person some new understanding that might make him or her...what? Look upon his image in a mirror differently?

@Pants-of-dog
OK I feel better now...


You said find one. I did. I don't know it was in jest.
I know the lad likes SO...so ya I wouldn't put it past him.
Anyway...you and this Heisenberg character...can wear that one.

[Sivad]

As a black parent, the author understand that his or her children will have to grow up in a racist society, where they will be excluded and distrusted and betrayed because of their hue.

The author knows that white people will be d-bags to these children, so the author needs to teach the children how to defend themsleves against this racism. The author, regretfully, needs to teach the children caution, suspicion, and distrust in order for these kids to defend themselves against racism.

Unfortunately, true friendship cannot be built on a foundation of distrust and suspicion, so it may be impossible for black kids and white kids to truly be friends because US society is so posioned with racism

Spoken like a real liberal who has zero experience with multiracial reality. My family is black, white, latino, and native, I can't imagine telling the two black/native/white kids I'm raising that white people can't be trusted and they shouldn't be friends with them. That's racism and anyone teaching their kids that is a filthy racist.

[Godstud]

@Sivad Did you actually READ what Pants of Dog said?

regretfully, needs to teach the children caution, suspicion, and distrust in order for these kids to defend themselves against racism.

and

Unfortunately, true friendship cannot be built on a foundation of distrust and suspicion, so it may be impossible for black kids and white kids to truly be friends because US society is so poisoned with racism.

That's accepting the reality. Teaching your kids about how to deal with racism, is not racist.

Pants of Dog, and many others probably have more interaction than you know with multiculturalism. making stupid assumptions about them being "real liberal", which is a meaningless term, actually, is a sight presumptive.

No one said to raise your kids and say, "White people can't be trusted and you should be racist towards them". You took that leap all on your own, and it's simply not true. Raising your kids to be careful, aware, and suspicious of people who might use racism against them, is a logical response to a society where racism is rampant.

[Sivad]

Raising your kids to be careful, aware, and suspicious of people who might use racism against them, is a logical response to a society where racism is rampant.

There's a difference between instilling awareness and demonizing a race of people. I teach my kids that some people, many people, are racist(and not just white people because being mixed race they'll face racism from natives and blacks as well), but that they shouldn't judge an entire "race" of people on the attitudes of some of its constituents. You teach your kids to distrust a race and you're a racist.

[Godstud]

But here's the thing... No one is demonizing!! You are making a huge jump to get to this conclusion.

eg. Teaching your kids to watch out for cars when crossing the road is not demonizing cars.

You teach your kids to distrust a race and you're a racist.

No. It is not.

Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. (actual definition of racism)

Teaching your kids to be aware of it, and distrust people who might use it against them, is not racism.

@Sivad Is it bad to teach your kids not to trust strangers, because they might take advantage of them? The same logic applies.

[Sivad]

eg. Teaching your kids to watch out for cars when crossing the road is not demonizing cars.

No. It is not.

Teaching your kids that all drivers will mow them down to avoid a minor collision would be insane. Actually I watched an interview of the author and he made a similar analogy, he asked the host if the host warned his daughters that men weren't to be trusted, as if that was something all reasonable fathers did, and my reaction to that was 'what ludicrous misandry?' I'm raising a girl and I would never teach her to distrust men in general, I would only strongly caution her that some men are not trustworthy and that discernment is vital to her well being. Apparently liberals just can't grasp the difference between basic prudence and full blown racism, and that's disturbing.

[Sivad]

dub

[Godstud]

I don't think that anyone suggesting you to distrust anyone who's white, but to be suspicious of people who might use racism against them.

No one is "teaching their kids that all drivers will mow them down to avoid a minor collision". You're making a huge leap of logic to suggest that. I am pretty sure that was not the implication from what I or PoD posted.

[Sivad]

I don't think that anyone suggesting you to distrust anyone who's white

That's what the author of the article is teaching his children! Apparently you also agree that it's daft.

[Politiks]

It is ok to be Latino, it is ok to be Black, it is ok to be Native American, it is ok to be Asian, it is ok to be a human being. If there are doubts that we are not human beings....before we are an ethnicity, a gender, an age, a creed, a nationality, a criminal, a saint....let them speak now or forever hold their peace.

Hee hee. I thought that might help clarify the 'controversy'. You know white is kind of a misnomer. I have never met a complete lack of pigment person except albinos. And they are human beings aren't they? White is generic. It doesn't tell you if you are Italian, or Greek, or Irish or English or Scot, or Welsh. It doesn't tell you your religion, or your interests, your politics, or your hobbies, it doesn't tell you your sexual orientation, or your favorite food and what your innermost values are....what does 'white' actually say about you? In any meaningful way @Pants-of-dog?

Not much does it?



Portugal is the land of the people who are 'swarthy' for the Western Europeans. Part of the Roman Empire. Romans a very 'suspicious' race of people. Were they white? They might had some Arabs in there running around for centuries....what is White but some generic bullshit term made up by some people who don't even know what ethnicity they belonged to 200 years ago? Again, humanity is one species. Not two separate species. So everyone apparently has the same compatibility for humanity. The problem you have Politiks is that you don't study African history, or any history that doesn't fit into your world view. Why not? It might expand that mind of yours.

@Politiks, I think you got problems with the history of socialism. The first formal socialist in the formal sense of a contrast to capitalism was Gracchus Babeuf (conspiracy of the equals) those French people took their egalite very seriously. There was another Gracchus who was from BC and the ancient Roman Empire and he wanted to start taking from the rich and corrupt and give to the landless and poor. He wound up killed too. It seems to be a theme there in history. Challenge the rich? It is a very dangerous endeavor...I wonder why humans keep doing that in history? Bolivar was not a socialist. But Albert Einstein was. So was Jack London, and a whole bunch of people in history of great accomplishments. He was 'el libertador' and he died in Santa Marta in Colombia. He was a wealthy man and raised in a Hacienda with a Black nanny he loved very much. His philosophy was not a socialist one. It was mostly about expelling the Spanish colonizer. Most of South America had an active bourgeoisie that wanted to be free of the Spanish crown's control. The first real socialism in a formal sense and a modern sense came with the French Enlightenment. It was closely related to the emergence of capitalism that replaced feudalism in Europe. Bonaparte promised the French a new society, he was the great usurper. Declared himself Emperor. You should do a better job of studying the origins of all political philosophies.

Socialism has all sorts of manifestations. Social democrats, democratic socialists, Christian socialists (liberation theology comes from that tradition), scientific socialists (also known as Communists), utopian socialists, reformist socialists, and many other types. It is a big group with a lot of different types of socialist thought. You can start with Capital=where capital is the central topic of interest for running a society. Or social-as in human society is the big concern. I don't think capital as in property and labor and possessions and land are supposed to be more important than human beings. You might think so--I don't know. But for me? If all of humanity were done for tomorrow....? How important would be gold, buildings, investment, property or anything else without humans giving it some kind of value? Nothing in my opinion and in the analysis of all economists with some kind of intelligence. No humans? No value for all that shit. So humans should logically be the center of all wealth. If they are the center of all wealth then why are we wasting huge parts of human society by not being just and getting them educated, housed, fed and with medical assistance that they can be a part of without being in the hole for the rest of their lives? Because elite wealthy people got to be wasting them so that they can keep a large part of humanity in insecurity and in unemployment and in squalor and in chaos and in desperation and be able to do what? That is why I am a socialist. I don't like wasting human potential. Maybe you like that Politiks. But I don't.

The official big guy in modern fascism is Mussolini. And he wound up getting killed by a bunch of unhappy protestors...killed by a mob upset by all his wars and so on.....black shirts.

I don't care if you think I am dumb Politiks....I can say as a Right wing machista Uruguayo you don't know socialist history at all. You don't.

Oh, white people the only people who ever did anything worthwhile and who are the only prism by all people of all nationalities must measure themselves against? Most of the world was illiterate until the mid to late nineteenth century. Was it because they were dumb until someone started to create mass literacy campaigns?

Sorry @Politiks but in the USA if you run accross a bunch of white men with right wing thought? Uruguayos are a bunch of backward primitive low class people. Because if you speak Spanish? You work at Taco Bell. They are that stupid. Racism is a very sick state of being. You can run around the USA being an Uruguayan fascist or something trying to tell the white Americans how white you are? I don't know if they will accept your labels. I know I would think you foolish.
If you believe in elitism and all that jazz Politiks, then I hate to the bearer of bad news....Uruguay and all of South America is an afterthought Third World scene for the vast majority of the racist old pure white men who run the First World. Anything coming out of those places are the 'inferior' folks. If you like how those people think? Go have fun. Telling them how lily white you are and superior. I don't know...Uruguay sounds kind of exotic. U-ru-guay....Hmmm is it like Paraguay? Where they have an official language called Guarani? Are they European?

Those are the kinds of questions you are going to get from the very superior white racist American machista brainwashed men whom you are trying to do what for? I don't know. You are not I. I am not you.

1. Latino isn't a race, isn't a ethnic group, isn't even a culture. Latino means people who are natives of countries that speak Romance languages

2.You presume we care about what USA thinks, your presumption is wrong.

4. I study history all my life, including African history. You on the other hand.... clearly didn't. If you studied history you would know Third World means neutral countries not poor. Switzerland and Portugal are third world and French Guyana was first world. On being a Afterthought...again, why you think we care to be even a thought for USA? The fact you think Brazil, Chile, Argentina or Uruguay are hell holes shows your ignorance, and thinking USA is relevant economically for Mercosur shows yet more economic and political ignorance. The country that is more important to Uruguay economically is Brazil followed by Chile and Argentina. What is more important to Brazil is China, followed by Europe and the rest of Asia. USA is today not even a thought because we don't depend on USA or the Middle East for shit.

5. I lived in USA, for a while (also in Germany and UK). I was never treated as a primitive low class guy. I'm starting to think you have mental issues. On another note, why you think Uruguayans care about what American's thinks of us, as a country or as a society? USA means nothing to Uruguay, economically, culturally or socially. America doesn't influence us in anything, if much we like your movies and that's pretty much it. Maybe because you're primitive they treat you as a primitive?

6. Uruguayans in general are far from sexist or backwards. Basically everything is legalized in our country, the anthem here is : your rights start when mine ends, my rights start when yours end. We have way more rights and equality for women than USA, actually most South American countries are more open minded. You're even discussing about having a female President, have little to no female candidates, no CEO of State companies are women in USA. How many females you have in charge of what matters? Yep....keep talking shit about South America but keep in mind we laugh at you too, a lot.

7. I'm not sexist at all, you seem keen in making me look like a savage, sexist pig because I disagree with your verbal diareira

8. Uruguay doesn't have a Socialist history? LOL ...BOLIVAR WAS not a socialist?????? BUAHHHAHAHHA

9. I like Jews, I studied with many Jews. I've been to Israel and I love it there. No idea why you mentioning them

10. The richest house in Europe was the House of Braganza/Bragança. In fact, citizens didn't pay taxes or interest during 120 years. The income of the King of Portugal was 30 times the income of the King of England. Resume: only extremely wealthy countries can afford Socialist freebies

11. Christian Socialists is a incorrect term because Anglican/Protestants style of Socialism is based in the classic British Liberalism tending to the right while the Catholic Socialist ideals tend to the left. In another words, you don't even know much about the ideology you defend

12. Bolivar was a Socialist. The difference between him and Marx is how they saw race and the upper class. Bolivar didn't saw black people or Jews as a one sided group because he believed that culture was more important than race in the quest of the perfect society. Bolivar believed Capital was the quickest way to achieve Socialism. Bolivar thought Africans were inferior yet he was a huge fan of the Haitians, he even asked for advice for the revolution against Spain and told Haiti they would help them in what they needed. He also had a lot of respect for Caribbean Islands and certain African kingdoms. He thought the French were inferior to Spain, Portugal and the UK. The Bolivarian revolution is a Socialist one, the difference is they didn't have racism in the mix.

13. Socialism like any ideology has ramifications but also has a spine and the spine of Socialism is a big State and the State as the provider.

14. You need to learn a few things before speaking about them

[Pants-of-dog]

Just a sec POD...

Oddly enough, that about sums it up. Let's not celebrate too quickly though...



This oughtta be good...
Can I give you a hint?
Look North.



Oops...here it comes...
Wanna borrow a soapbox?

And after all this intellectual wax-job is concluded, what have we learned?
That someone doesn't like Americans very much. OK...don't blame ya much. I've come to pity them for the most part. Look what they're doing to their government and society. Its absolutely poisonous.
You do tend to generalize pretty heavily though. Not all Yankee men are "superior white racist American machista brainwashed men". And, perhaps, we've gotten a hint that you don't like men much.
I still have trouble figuring out what your blathering on about though. You made some sort of admonishment about not being up to speed on African history. Are you trying to say that knowing the history of Africa, would somehow give a person some new understanding that might make him or her...what? Look upon his image in a mirror differently?

Are you talking to me or Tainari88 here?

@Pants-of-dog
OK I feel better now...

You said find one. I did. I don't know it was in jest.
I know the lad likes SO...so ya I wouldn't put it past him.
Anyway...you and this Heisenberg character...can wear that one.

Yes, I realise that you were unable to see that Heisenberg was joking.

What exactly are we supposed to wear?

Anyway, this just affirms what I have been saying all along: that this whole campaign was supoosed to make all of us leftists and progressives whine and wail about how racist these posters are, and the racists were supoosed to look like calm reasonable heroes. And it totally failed.

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Spoken like a real liberal who has zero experience with multiracial reality. My family is black, white, latino, and native, I can't imagine telling the two black/native/white kids I'm raising that white people can't be trusted and they shouldn't be friends with them. That's racism and anyone teaching their kids that is a filthy racist.

The author is not saying that his or her kids should not be friends with white people. Instead, the author is saying that his or her kids may never actually be able to be friends with white people even if they wanted to.

If you define racism as prejudice and discrimination towards someone of another race, then this is not reaching kids racism. It is, instead, teaching kids that they will be targets of prejudice and discrimination and that the kids need to be wary of this when they are developing relationships that should be based on mutual trust, honesty, and respect.

[Tainari88]

@Politiks

All these issues you bring up should get you going on different topics.

Who likes the government in capitalist run societies? I certainly don't. I don't trust a government that is bought and paid for by multinational corporations and has turned into a catering service for the plutocracy.

Why did so many socialist programs even get started in capitalist run economies? The conditions dictated it.

Can you answer a question for me @Politiks ? What's your beef with socialism? You can start a thread in the socialist forum about your beef with socialism? That way you get all the resentment off your chest.

@Politiks All that prejudice about South America sort of irritated you? Well, I guess you don't like prejudiced people against your culture do you? Welcome to how other groups feel about being treated unfairly. That was my point. It is interesting how both you and others here did not get either Heisenberg's sarcasm or my hints for you Politiks of what is wrong with all this prejudicial thinking. Who cares what the white USA Americans think? Blasphemy. The USA is 6% of the world's population and the belly button of the entire planet. South America is not. Didn't those Right wing supremacists tell you that? @Politiks you might have to defend your own ethnocentric views. Fortunately this is an international politics forum. So? There are Americans from the USA but also Canadians, British people, Asians, etc. From everywhere.

Todo el mundo se cree el rey de Roma. Everyone believes their country/culture/language/history is the great thing. Everyone believes they are the King of Rome.


As for @Buzz62 I don't know who he was talking to Pants? Me or you?

I am assuming it is me. What is the deal with me not liking men? Nothing could be farther from the truth. The better question would be? What kind of man do I like? But since this thread is about 'Is it ok to be white' and the topic is not "What kind of men does Tainari88 think are great men? We would leave all this history and fights about the meanings of socialism to the proper fora.

I think @Wellsy opened a thread on the topic "What made you want to become a socialist" some socialists answered that well. If you disagree with the socialists? Go there and discuss what you don't like. I think it would be probably be useful to find out what it is all the theory you disagree with about.

It is great to stop the trolling and the lack of content. Hee hee. Buenas noches caballeros. Especialmente Pantalones del perro.

I think I will come back tomorrow and debate @Politiks 'irritated' responses about this and that. Hee hee. He should go and open a thread on his interests. because for him? "It is ok to be white".

[Tainari88]

Are you talking to me or Tainari88 here?



Yes, I realise that you were unable to see that Heisenberg was joking.

What exactly are we supposed to wear?

Anyway, this just affirms what I have been saying all along: that this whole campaign was supoosed to make all of us leftists and progressives whine and wail about how racist these posters are, and the racists were supoosed to look like calm reasonable heroes. And it totally failed.

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The author is not saying that his or her kids should not be friends with white people. Instead, the author is saying that his or her kids may never actually be able to be friends with white people even if they wanted to.

If you define racism as prejudice and discrimination towards someone of another race, then this is not reaching kids racism. It is, instead, teaching kids that they will be targets of prejudice and discrimination and that the kids need to be wary of this when they are developing relationships that should be based on mutual trust, honesty, and respect.

@Pants-of-dog I think we can sum this up as what kind of people do I like the most? The Decent Kind. Those are my favorite kind of people. Decent people. The great humans of decency, kindness, good manners, compassion, grace, and loving and just characters. They don't have a color or a superior race vs inferior race. They just have the Decent Race. I am a fan of the Decent race.

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88

Where you live and where you're from? Socialism is quite Fascist, even in the Democratic and Liberal form, in almost every country. Of course we have exceptions or at least periods of exception. Fascism isn't just control of free speech, press, or the police beating you down the street, being arrested for your opinions. What is happening in the UK, Germany and most of all Sweden is a form of Fascism that I know well because my country actually had dictators, Socialists, civil unrest, our freedom of speech was controlled in the past.

We enter a phase of subtle Fascism a couple years ago, maybe a decade, maybe 5 years, is getting worse there for is becoming noticeable.

If people like Ben Shapiro or Milo need security to arrive at a University or are prohibit to speak, that's for sure a form of Fascism. When Youtube pays less and controls the views of every single major youtuber that isn't pro-narrative that is indeed a form of Fascism.

This world is so crazy that a journalist like Abby Martin has more freedom in a State Russian Channel and a Mercosur State channel than in USA private TV networks. That is a form of Fascism.

Fascism starts slowly, controlling what you think, how you think, further controls what you can't and can say, what you can or not do in the most basic things. Then will start controlling bigger things in your life, in society until eats up your life.

We live in a world that Brazil, Argentina have more freedom than USA or Europe. Spain, Italy and Portugal remain more free than UK or Germany. Countries that never had a Fascist regime usually don't know how to fight it because they don't know how it looks like.

You call white men lazy, racist, while most freedoms you enjoy, the roads you drive, the cars you use to drive, the planes and boats you use, all that was created by the same white men (and women) you call lazy and borderline stupid. Fascist regimes were around since the beginning of time but Democracy, civil rights, women rights and human rights were indeed created by white people.

Feminism is a white creation. Socialism is a white creation because Bolivar predates Marx in a decade and he was a white men. Actually the oldest form of Socialism is traced to Portugal, a white country.

I see a extremely lazy person here and that person is you. You're so lazy you think freedom of speech and Democracy will always be there just because the current narrative fits your ideals so discriminating any other type of thought is taken as a right to you. I guess they didn't taught you in school your rights starts when mine ends, mine start when your ends.

People like you are cattle and a dangerous cattle that is pushing the world to a dangerous place, a place without freedom of thought or expression.

The worst part is that you don't even notice how brainwashed and dumb you sound, you actually feel morally and intellectually superior to others.

Uh, oh, so @Politiks, fascism for you is what? Socialism? Please don't tell me you think National Socialism is the same as International Socialism and that it all runs together in your head in one big mess of shit?

What do you define yourself as? Somehow boats, freedoms and so on are things I enjoy because white people gave them to me? Do you seriously believe this garbage you just wrote @Politiks?

Feminism is a white creation? How? White women got together and said, "We are the only white women who will fight for our rights!"

Anything that had some progress of civil rights and human rights was fought by who @Politiks white folk? Ben Shapiro is an extreme dude on the internet for Breitbart news that Bannon outfit? Is he your hero? The ones creating all that hoopla against Ben Shapiro are liberals mostly. If you don't know the difference between liberals @Politiks and socialists? You definitely need an education.

You got triggered with the lazy stuff? It is all psychology my dear Politiks. It is all psychology.

You got to go and start fighting it out with the left in here. You got a lot of problems.

Freedom of Speech and Democracy will always be there for me? Are you for real with these total BULLSHIT claims of yours? Do you think all these magical rights were somehow achieved in the past with some passive stuff that never pressured a system that always resists change? That is not reality. I think the one living with a lot of notions that don't exist in reality is you @Politiks

One thing that is always true about politics and human rights is that no one is going to give the lower classes any rights for free. They all have to be fought for and the ones always denying the rights of others are the ones in power. Who are they currently? The socialists bad guys? No. The Right and the Professional bought and paid for politicians who are trying to shove a tax bill that favors the wealthy through congress. because looking out for the working class is not what the GOP is about.

[Tainari88]

Just a sec POD...


Oddly enough, that about sums it up. Let's not celebrate too quickly though...




This oughtta be good...
Can I give you a hint?
Look North.





Oops...here it comes...
Wanna borrow a soapbox?


And after all this intellectual wax-job is concluded, what have we learned?
That someone doesn't like Americans very much. OK...don't blame ya much. I've come to pity them for the most part. Look what they're doing to their government and society. Its absolutely poisonous.
You do tend to generalize pretty heavily though. Not all Yankee men are "superior white racist American machista brainwashed men". And, perhaps, we've gotten a hint that you don't like men much.
I still have trouble figuring out what your blathering on about though. You made some sort of admonishment about not being up to speed on African history. Are you trying to say that knowing the history of Africa, would somehow give a person some new understanding that might make him or her...what? Look upon his image in a mirror differently?

@Pants-of-dog
OK I feel better now...


You said find one. I did. I don't know it was in jest.
I know the lad likes SO...so ya I wouldn't put it past him.
Anyway...you and this Heisenberg character...can wear that one.

All I am saying is that how much of an effort have you made in understanding other cultures that are not your native one Buzz?

Aren't you curious about other people and other cultures? I am. I want to know. I am not African American. But I want to know as much about it as I can. I am not a European. But I want to learn European history. I am not Chinese, or Japanese, or Vietnamese. But I want to learn about the history, culture and language. I want to know all people. Why? Because I am not satisfied with just a small part of a big world. And variation is the spice of life. For me variation is the reason life exists. Without it? We would not have life. That is if you believe in evolutionary theory.

I think if you wind up realizing that if you study all the cultures you can...human beings are consistent in behaviors throughout history. They make the same mistakes, but they also wind up doing great things as well. Both. That was the point.

If you are unsure about what I am writing about? Try the Socratic method Buzz. Ask a question.

[Buzz62]

All I am saying is that how much of an effort have you made in understanding other cultures that are not your native one Buzz?

And what makes you think I don't?

Aren't you curious about other people and other cultures? I am. I want to know. I am not African American. But I want to know as much about it as I can. I am not a European. But I want to learn European history. I am not Chinese, or Japanese, or Vietnamese. But I want to learn about the history, culture and language. I want to know all people. Why? Because I am not satisfied with just a small part of a big world. And variation is the spice of life. For me variation is the reason life exists. Without it? We would not have life. That is if you believe in evolutionary theory.

I think if you wind up realizing that if you study all the cultures you can...human beings are consistent in behaviors throughout history. They make the same mistakes, but they also wind up doing great things as well. Both. That was the point.

If you are unsure about what I am writing about? Try the Socratic method Buzz. Ask a question.

You spoke on another post of what type of men you like. Not that it matters but, how do you know "decency"? By reading debate threads? I certainly hope not because that would mean no amount of education can possibly make you "intelligent".

The "controversy" of the question "Is it OK to be white?" is a product of the relatively newish movement that its NOT OK to be white, or a cop, or have an opinion that differs from the newish SJW group-think. This movement has resurrected the label "Nazi" in order to shock people. It's broken all sorts of laws, assaulted and even killed cops, called for the murder of all white people...including their babies, and the coup de gras...pompously started a streetfight with a bunch of hill-billies over a fucking statue resulting in the death of one woman and seriously injuring several more.

I acknowledge that this appears to have been ignited by the angry and racially charged opposition to Obama's presidency, and the Muslim Refugee crisis in Europe, and that the election of Donny-Boy was a wild over reaction by mostly whites, but if you, POD and the rest of your howling pack of jackles are going to continue to lie and make excuses for BLM and Antifa, and if your all gonna continue to attack anyone who refuses to join you cute little racist movement, people like me are gonna fight you.

Not because I'm some sort of KKK freak or Nazi wanna-be, but because when people actually advocate and try to justify violence on anyone who is not partaking in this racially charged group-think, Then I am compelled to defend people who's ideas I likely find deplorable.

Noemon Edit: Rule 2: Banned for a Week

If you are so "intellectual", then get off your gawd-damn soapbox and realize the basic truth that, in any argument between 2 opposing ideas, the reality and truth of the matter is found in the middle of said argument.