Political Interest wrote:Tainairi, you must remember that not all of this is white supremacist construction. Perhaps in an American context it is. Afterall, I find it ridiculous when white Americans complain about immigration when they are not indigenous to the American continent.
However, in Europe it is the same. If you disagree with what is essentially an open settlement policy into Europe, you will again be accused of being a white supremacist. Sometimes the so called white supremacist concerns are in actual fact based on legitimate concerns. Why for example, should people in France, England or Germany not express some worry about their demographic future? And to write his off as privilege anxiety or some type of white supremacism is simply dishonest. If someone really thinks that then what they are saying is that whites do not have the right to ethnic identity and a basic sense of their collective future. I understand how ridiculous it seems for whites to talk about persecution and how garish this seems. But there are truly some honest people who do have legitimate concerns, especially in Europe. For example, being alarmed at the fact that the English ethnic group is now a minority in London is not necessarily xenophobic or racist. I find it utterly ludicrous that a white English proletarian, a white French proletarian and a white German proletarian should believe mass immigration is somehow in their interest. And what is even more outrageous is the suggestion that these peope should consider themselves privileged because of their skin colour. Therefore the only true proletariat in these societies becomes the immigrant proletariat.
The Anglophone left fascinates me. I've noticed that they don't actually champion the cause of the working class in their countries. And for some reason they seem to view the immigrant working class in their countries as a more authentic or oppressed working class than the white working class. All of their narratives are about whiteness and privilege. It's as though they view their societies as being a white bourgeoisie, white petty bourgeoisie and an immigrant or non-white proletariat. Very fascinating. But then who speaks for the white working class? In England I have never actually met a white working class socialist. And if you put me in a room with most of these leftists I am probably the most working class person there, but I am not even working class.
Would East Germany not be too white for the Anglophone left?:
It is always interesting to understand how working class people are constantly betrayed by divisions that are largely artificially created. In England as in the majority of the world's working class they tend to intermarry with other people who are equally working class or broke living in the same neighborhoods.
What I think is interesting are societies that have a hard time integrating different races of people? Can you give me an example of any successful multiracial intermarrying among many at least three different ethnic groups over a long period of time? Because that would be interesting.
I have this video. I grew up in this society. I did Political Interest. At the same time many people have and continue to have stereotypes about how a person from a certain nationality 'should' look like. I am from the Spanish speaking Caribbean. This means the vast majority of us have been mixed race people for a very very long time.
All this racial hatred is kind of irrelevant in the sense that interracial mixture has gone on for millenia among many cultures. But people continue with obsolete concepts of what constitutes a 'race'.
I get the 'you are white' you can't be Puerto Rican. Then my sister spends money on DNA and surprise. Mixed. Normal for our region. Got some of this or that. But a lot of people are into somatic looks.
Race according to many anthropologists is a very tiny thing. It is far more common to find a spectrum of diversity in a single group.
The Caribbean @Political Interest is a huge melting pot. We got every race of every continent on the globe there and all of them wind up mixing biologically, socially, and in every significant way with each other. Why is it so hard for many of European origin to think that is something strange? It has already happened and continues to do so.
All people have culture. That is what people should focus on in terms of analyzing how people think, behave and have their values. One can be looking like an African on the outside, but be British in culture, language and values. For me? The latter is the defining factor of who that person is inside. The same can be said of a blond looking European who grows up in Kenya speaking Kikuyu and behaving and thinking like an East African tribal person. That is where he grew up and how he sees his world. The blond look is just a look. It is not his identity.
I think that point is lost on people who think modern societies follow some predictable pattern. They don't. We travel and we mix. Nothing pure anymore. Even way back in the 16th century.
Political Interest, in my nation the most famous nationalist of all was a man of mixed race. Our typical mixture--Indian, African and Basque Spanish extraction. All three. He represented us as a nation. He was a nationalist. I don't think 'race' is what is the overriding factor in wanting to protect national identity. It is the definition of being a nation. This is the definition:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nation