- 01 Dec 2017 17:02
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Actually, I agree with that. Perhaps I was over critical of Marx. I do believe the concept of Communism was based on things he would have benefited from though. Nonetheless, the overall concept of Communism is a utopian idea that relies on no corruption. In a perfect world, Communism would be ideal. But in my opinion it defies human nature of improvement and advancement. And without that I can only see society failing because I don't see why anyone would care about a society where the burden/reward doesn't affect you directly.
Again, I agree. If you have a revolutionary who was selfless and is prepared to share the spoils, Communism is the true equality ideology. There be no birth right. There is no discrimination. There be no wealth. Everyone is equal. Who wouldn't sign up to that who wasn't in the top percent? But history states that to be a revolutionary you need to be hostile. A killer. Give demand by the gun. This kind of individual is a selfish individual and will always be ruthless. For that reason alone I could never sign up for communism. It will always be the perfect ideology that is riddled by the potential of corruption.
Surely it is possible to be critical of an individual without being critical of a race? The problem is people refuse to distinguish between the two. So in that sense I agree with you. Choose your words carefully. But never be afraid to speak your mind. Otherwise you will never be able to air your intuition or truth. You perhaps might not even fully understand what truth you believe in as you will be unable to discuss your opinion. But If it helps, I find your opinion consistent and I believe you are someone who is a true individual that is fighting for what is right for his fellow man.
Atlantis wrote:I don't believe that is true. Marx, like his sponsor Engels and many of the early communists, was a true idealist who sincerely wanted to improve society. It is hardly possible to blame him for having a self, like everybody else, that in one way or another wants to assert itself.
Actually, I agree with that. Perhaps I was over critical of Marx. I do believe the concept of Communism was based on things he would have benefited from though. Nonetheless, the overall concept of Communism is a utopian idea that relies on no corruption. In a perfect world, Communism would be ideal. But in my opinion it defies human nature of improvement and advancement. And without that I can only see society failing because I don't see why anyone would care about a society where the burden/reward doesn't affect you directly.
Revolutionaries today, like in the past, are rarely free of narcissistic self-love that elevates their own being as the sole possessor of the true teaching.
Corruption and material privileges only enter once a communist state has its spoils to distribute.
Again, I agree. If you have a revolutionary who was selfless and is prepared to share the spoils, Communism is the true equality ideology. There be no birth right. There is no discrimination. There be no wealth. Everyone is equal. Who wouldn't sign up to that who wasn't in the top percent? But history states that to be a revolutionary you need to be hostile. A killer. Give demand by the gun. This kind of individual is a selfish individual and will always be ruthless. For that reason alone I could never sign up for communism. It will always be the perfect ideology that is riddled by the potential of corruption.
Anyways, what I tried to explain above holds true: people and movements will invariably deviate from the original intuition of a truth. For example, even if I, as pro-asylum supporter, say something factual but critical about migrants, I risk that my words are being used by xenophobes the moment I have uttered them. That's the scary bit, no matter how careful we chose our words, there is always the risk that they will influence the political discourse in a way opposite to our intention.
Surely it is possible to be critical of an individual without being critical of a race? The problem is people refuse to distinguish between the two. So in that sense I agree with you. Choose your words carefully. But never be afraid to speak your mind. Otherwise you will never be able to air your intuition or truth. You perhaps might not even fully understand what truth you believe in as you will be unable to discuss your opinion. But If it helps, I find your opinion consistent and I believe you are someone who is a true individual that is fighting for what is right for his fellow man.