Pants-of-dog wrote:Actually, in war you are supposed to make the other person die, since dying for your country doesn’t actually help.
Thats not the point. You know it. Quit evading. You join the military, your Ass belongs to Uncle Sam. Thats the point. The reason libertarians oppose conscription is because no government has the moral right to a citizen's
person. The Left (of which you are a part) disagrees with this libertarian reasoning, and yet, you are using this same basic libertarian reasoning in your defense of Abortion. That doesn't seem consistent, I want you to explain how it is. That the whole fucking conversation in a nutshell.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Oh, you are simply trying to troll me because of some incorrect ideas you have about Marxism and me.
Since I never claimed that this was a Marxist argument, this is just you being confused. In fact, I even pointed this out before.
It is an argument based on the liberal idea of equality.
If by trolling you mean the execution of a cross examination based on established definitions, then yes.
I never said that you claimed your abortion argument was a Marxist argument, once again that is not the point. You have claimed to be a Marxist to me before and your argument for Abortion is not consistent with that worldview because it is a libertarian argument. I am trying to discern how a Marxist can use a libertarian argument consistently.
Thus, you may be using a liberal argument from equality (in the classical liberal sense) to justify abortion, but that is not a consistent view of equality with what is held by the Left, Progressivism, and Marxism. The argument you are using is based on an absolutist notion of inherent individual equality (libertarian), not a conditional, progressive, teleological, and collectivist notion of equality (marxist). The former would deny conscription as a right to the government and would deny the idea of sacrificing a few for the the greater good of the many, the latter (marxists, etc) have no problem with either of these scenarios.
Thus, your argument for Abortion does not appear to be consistent with your worldview, if you disagree, please explain why.
Pants-of-dog wrote:I guess you and VS both misunderstood. See above.
No, your just so notoriously convoluted in your attempts to explain yourself that you have the rather incredible ability to confuse everyone in an entire thread as to what the fuck you are trying to say. This is neither the fault of me or
@SolarCross.
You are one of the few exceptions to the general rule that clarity correlates to brevity. Indeed, the more succinct you attempt to be, the more unintelligible your propositions become. Its quite baffling actually.