[Godstud]

A culture that oft times leads to rape? It sounds aptly named to me.

[blackjack21]

A culture that oft times leads to rape? It sounds aptly named to me.

What happens in the culture that you think leads to rape? Scantily clad women? Pornography inspired young males?

What is worse in your mind: rape or patriarchy?

[Godstud]

A great many things lead to rape, and it's not solely one thing, either.

Read the definition, FFS>

rape culture:
a society or environment whose prevailing social attitudes have the effect of normalizing or trivializing sexual assault and abuse.

[Albert]

I think today there is respect lost between both sexes, and women are as responsible for it as men. Potemkin mentioned that when he was growing up in 70s men were very disrespectful towards women, whereas someone else had mentioned that before the cultural revolution of the west men were considerably respectful.

I personally believe the forgoing of traditional values in relation between men and women have led to deterioration of respect between the two sexes.

And women play a significant part in this as well. One is dressing up revealing in public. Not only it is self disrespecting but also entices a lot of men to attraction to her. What if that man is married? Yet you entice him with your body as a woman, have you no shame in front if his wife and kids?

This is just one example, other is the games women play with men these days is just atrocious, and the way they use men is degrading. So much of this hate that goes around between men and women is mutual.

I'm not even speaking about the modern family arrangement, where it has become essentially matriarchal, whereas giving women a lot of power in family relations.

[Godstud]

@Albert, if by respectful to women you mean beating, or raping, their wives in private, then no, traditional values are shit.

And women play a significant part in this as well. One is dressing up revealing in public. Not only it is self disrespecting but also entices a lot of men to attraction to her. What if that men is married? Yet you entice him with you body as a woman, have you no shame in front if his wife and kids?

A woman is not disrespecting herself when she wears clothing that makes her attractive. Were this also a thing that men get(shamed), it might be an argument. It's not.

This is just one example, other is the games women play with men these days is just atrocious, and the way they use men is degrading. So much of this hate that goes around between men and women is mutual.

Only if you're an Incel or MGTOW, otherwise you realize that women are still the same.

Men are not getting raped by women on any reasonable level, so no, the hate is not mutual.

You are also assuming a lot of hate where none exists. Feminist man-haters are about as common as the crybaby Incel and MGTOW idiots.

I'm not even speaking about the modern family arrangement, where it has become essentially matriarchal, whereas giving women a lot of power in family relations.

Why are you making this assumption? Do you have some actual evidence for this claim? I certainly know of no relationship that is matriarchal.

[Albert]

Why do you assume traditional relationship is about beating and raping your wife? That is quite disingenuous. You propose an assumption that all men somehow want to beat their wives, this from get go dehumanizes them and turns them into rapist brutes. Which is not so.

It is in this way I see feminism is being defended, that men are somehow these brutes whereas women a innocent weak damsels in distress that need to be protected from men. This is in a sense why feminism is needed to protect women from men. This is essentially a contorted and convoluted position to hold. And it surprising, has been driven into consciousness of general population.

Most men these days live in dynamic where their wives have more power over them in a relationship. Women by nature are already given incredible emotional and manipulative intelligence, this gives them power in relationship dynamic whereas she will usually be 10 steps ahead of you in relationship. Taking away men's power over material (like giving women right to property, divorce, over children and social mobility) essentially granted them free reign over men. Pretty much rendering them into mere tools for women and life of torture in marriage.

There is no mutual love or respect possible in such balance of relations unless one gets really lucky. The culture and system is set up for relationships to fail.

[Godstud]

Beating and raping your wife was quite common and quite acceptable, so it happened more than it should have. That's simply factual.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -come.html

Most men these days live in dynamic where their wives have more power over them in a relationship. Women by nature are already given incredible emotional and manipulative intelligence, this gives them power in relationship dynamic whereas she will usually be 10 steps ahead of you in relationship. Taking away men's power over material (like giving women right to property, divorce, over children and social mobility) essentially granted them free reign over men. Pretty much rendering them into mere tools for women and life of torture in marriage.

Such has always been the case. They have in a relationship what they often lacked in society. The only thing that has changed is that they are more equal in society. You really are naive/ignorant when it comes women, aren't you?

The culture and system is set up for relationships to fail.

No. It's not. That's what failed men say to cover for their ineptness, and failings. See MGTOW.

[jessupjonesjnr87]

Do you believe rape culture exists in the west GS?

[Missus V. Spolia.]

This is sooooo dumb. We have a culture in the west where you can walk around almost nude and men will rarely bother you because they are too afraid of being sued or thrown in jail for doing a cat call.

Try pulling that off in the middle-east. What do you think would happen?

If we have a "rape culture" in the west, it is ranked the least rapey in comparison to all others.

So why are we so concerned about women here when showing your ankle in Somalia will get you gang-banged so you "learn your lesson."

Also, traditionalism was better than our sexualized culture, there was no porn, everyone dressed modestly, and men had manners and chivalry.

My husband's grand-father laid a guy out for saying the "f" word in front of his wife, because women were protected by men from anything considered even remotely crude.

I'm sorry, but I prefer that to what we have now. Its not a "rape culture," its just a culture of general lewdness and decadence and we have failed to figure out how to live in such a world because its so unnatural. We abolish the rules of being civil ladies and gentlemen and wonder why men and women are confused about dating cues and what is an appropriate interaction. It is very predictable.

People dropped religion and patriarchy and are swimming in their own filth and now they want manners back so they are going to their new baby-daddy, the state, to censor "mean words" and "crude men."

Its sick, and meanwhile we are importing the nastiest rape culture in the world while shaming our already cucked men here. What do you think is going to happen?

Its schizophrenic.

[Pants-of-dog]

1. The fact that you are more likley to get raped somewhere else does not mean that we do not live in a “rape culture”.

2. Being nostalgic about an idealised past is nt an argument.

[jessupjonesjnr87]

@Missus V. Spolia.
I agree, I wish I could beat my partner with legal impunity.

[Victoribus Spolia]

Your fetishes are really none of our business.

[Missus V. Spolia.]

[Pants-of-dog]

Speaking of a “better” past and assaulting your partner with impunity, spousal rape was only criminalised recently.

How is it “better” when rape is actually legal?

[Albert]

I personally believe this another bogeyman put forth by progressives to discredit traditional society. I do not think men raped and abused their wives with impunity in traditional society. Again as I have stated before that this presupposes that men are evil brutes who without protection of feminism and the state will rape and abuse their wives. This is obviously not true.

To even imply this, is depravity.

[Missus V. Spolia.]

I personally believe this another bogeyman put forth by progressives to discredit traditional society. I do not think men raped and abused their wives with impunity in traditional society. Again as I have stated before that this presupposes that men are evil brutes who without protection of feminism and the state will rape and abuse their wives. This is obviously not true.

To even imply this, is depravity.

[Pants-of-dog]

I personally believe this another bogeyman put forth by progressives to discredit traditional society. I do not think men raped and abused their wives with impunity in traditional society. Again as I have stated before that this presupposes that men are evil brutes who without protection of feminism and the state will rape and abuse their wives. This is obviously not true.

To even imply this, is depravity.

Your misunderstanding of my point is not an argument. I never said all husbands raped their wives.

Instead, I pointed out that men could legally rape their wives. Marital rape was only criminalised here in 1983. So, yes, men could rape and abuse their wives with impunity in traditional society. It is almost certain that many did so.

It is true that many men are not evil brutes who (without protection of feminism and the state) will rape and abuse their wives. This does not change the fact that before feminism, many men were protected by the state when they did rape their wives.

Obviously, the idea that things were better in the past is a nostalgic myth and not an actual fact.

[Victoribus Spolia]

It is almost certain that many did so.

Please provide evidence for this claim (with a definition of Rape).

Thanks.

Obviously, the idea that things were better in the past is a nostalgic myth and not an actual fact.

define "better."

Thanks.

[Rancid]

I long for the days where you can just grab the secretaries ass.

[Albert]

Your misunderstanding of my point is not an argument. I never said all husbands raped their wives.

Instead, I pointed out that men could legally rape their wives. Marital rape was only criminalised here in 1983. So, yes, men could rape and abuse their wives with impunity in traditional society. It is almost certain that many did so.

It is true that many men are not evil brutes who (without protection of feminism and the state) will rape and abuse their wives. This does not change the fact that before feminism, many men were protected by the state when they did rape their wives.

Obviously, the idea that things were better in the past is a nostalgic myth and not an actual fact.

I imagine that abuse in the past was dealt with much more swiftly and harshly. Considering that rape could get you hanged in the past.

Also communities were much closer in the past so abuse could get exposed quicker, similarly fathers ware much more involved in his daughter's lives, whereas they were obligated culturally and legally to provide for their daughters especially if they were not married. So if abuse did occur I imagine fathers would step in to protect their daughters and could quickly take them back home from abuse if necessary.

There were other legal means to fight abuse in homes, you could get punished for battery or neglect.

Prosecuting abuse on the ground of marital rape makes the whole issue of abuse in marriage much ridiculous. It just does not make sense.

I long for the days where you can just grab the secretaries ass.

You have to go back to the Sexual Revolution of the 60s-70s for that. Otherwise depending how far you want to go back in traditional society, that could get you shot in a duel.