Kaiserschmarrn wrote:I don't understand where you get the idea from that I want or have tried to dictate the meaning. Could you explain or show me where I've done this? What I've intended to do - and I think I've done - is criticise the term's definition, not least because it encompasses a seemingly ever increasing set of behaviours, opinions and attitudes.
From what I gather from this, you accept the definition of 'rape culture' then. That would be to include its terms as the author would characterize might I add.
It is fair to say you are critical of its use. I won't argue that. But it would also be fair to say you have ignored the question of the poll by doing so. So now you have accepted the definition and the terms of the phase 'rape culture', can I ask. Do you think there is a rape culture? That is to include the opinions, attitudes and behavours of its definition. The very things that are prevalent in this very thread.
You can easily see this by going to the blog the OP article regards as "an excellent definition of rape culture" and which I linked earlier. Among other things, it claims that treating heterosexuality as the norm or using the word rape in a different context is rape culture. Furthermore, I have indeed put forward the idea that we should reject the term and not use it at all.
Sure. No one has said otherwise. The irony of course is by doing so you are complicit of 'rape culture'. The very term used in the poll and the OP. You can question its relevance. I have already addressed that I think that the phase is counterproductive in addressing a problem of an over sexualised society that sets the conditions for an acceptance of rape today. But my opinions are irrelevant to the OP or poll. And so are yours. So for a third time now you can keep bitching about the use of the phase 'rape culture' in a thread that uses its term or you can begin a new thread about why it shouldn't be used. Until then you will keep going down a rabbit hole of confusion.
You keep doing exactly what you say we shouldn't do: note that the article uses the phrase "physical and emotional terrorism" which you change to mean "mental terrorism" which you use to describe mental pressure to have sex. Not only are you dropping the "physical" entirely, but nothing in the OP's article suggests your interpretation of the phrase as a major area of concern of "rape culture" proponents. In fact, breaking taboos, and especially sexual taboos, is part and parcel of being progressive. Phrases such as being sexually repressed and being prudish have been used for decades by progressives to criticise and ridicule people.
You have got me there Kaiser. I meant to put emotional but for some reason wrote mental. Perhaps it was because people usually ignore that mental pressure (or emotional pressure if you like) can also be considered rape. but people, especially on here, only seem to want to accept physical rape as rape. As we (both sides) all are in agreement on physical rape, it seems silly to me that you want me to address a phase that everyone accepts is rape.
Nonetheless thanks for the last part in this statement in regards to how pressure has been placed by people for decades into criticizing and ridiculing people that are sexually conservative. Naturally I accept this as it proves there is a culture that pressurized people into having sex who are not ready - and now you have you have admitted this also - along with occuring for quite some time might I add. Kudos.
If I say to a women don't go home alone after a party, am I advising her or telling her? Honestly, you are either making this more complicated than necessary or trying to be too charitable. The central point is that putting the onus on the potential victim in any way is "victim blaming" and part of "rape culture".
Telling someone to do something can include ordering. Advising someone gives that person a choice. For example, if I tell you to wear something, that is different to advising you to wear something. Not that it matters of course. As I have already said, even if I accept your conditions and I am indeed part of 'rape culture', it is just more proof the term exists in today's society.
Please see above regarding your odd idea that I don't deal with the term as defined. Again, it seems to me that's what you have been doing.
Well I keep addressing the defined terms. Godstud keeps addressing the terms. And so does PoD. I have lost count the amount of times they have been published. The terms are not the problem. Your problem is that they exist in the first place. Ok. You have made your point countless times. That still doesn't change the fact that the term is used in the OP and the poll. Shall I say start a new thread again or will this be futile and you will continue to go round in circles yet again?
Albert wrote:I just do not understand people like BOycey, how can they just not get it? It is almost as if they can not not look at anything without their mainstream indoctrination view. How is this possible? Is he gay?
I don't know how you don't get it. You used the term and then asked a question. If you don't think the phase should be used, why the fuck did you use it in the first place? By using the term you accept its definition. But don't worry Albert. You have no worrys of being accused of rape as your mother will keep you safe in her basement.