Rape Culture - Page 30 - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...

Polls on politics, news, current affairs and history.

Do you believe rape culture exist in the west?

Yes, rape culture exist in western societies
14
26%
No, rape culture does not exist or no longer exist in western societies
29
55%
Other
10
19%
User avatar
By Godstud
#14916088
Respecting what people SAY is a lot different from respecting people. I might disagree vehemently with some pofoers, but I'd give them respect in person, because I am well aware that what is said on a forum often different from what the people are actually like, in person.

Children, who are raised well, aren't pissing swastikas on lawns, Zam. You seem to be talking predominantly about American culture.
User avatar
By Zamuel
#14916114
Godstud wrote:Children, who are raised well, aren't pissing swastikas on lawns, Zam. You seem to be talking predominantly about American culture.

Yeah, they are. And they're laughing at you because you can't believe it. Asian Kids are some of the worst. Those cute little Japanese girls with pigtails in their hair … and razors in their socks … Little Mexican preschoolers cutting the heads off their sisters dolls … Cute Kids, right ?

Zam
User avatar
By Godstud
#14916121
Those sound like perfectly normal well-adjusted kids, to me. :lol:

We used to put firecrackers and rockets in model planes and shoot them down the streets. That said, I still turned out to be a law-abiding citizen. All kids are sociopaths for a while. :D
User avatar
By Zamuel
#14916183
Godstud wrote:All kids are sociopaths for a while. :D

Yep, even the few "goody two shoes" that linger about … and when they cave, watch out, somebody's house is burned down.

Anyway … that phase fades out when sexual activity begins. It converts itself into all those nasty little "rape culture" habits you repentant "goody two shoes" are so worked up about. Marriage and it's responsibilities eventually cull the miscreants down to a select few, who wind up in jail or go into politics. At what point exactly do you think you can insert your new "feminist morality?" After sex takes over sure as hell won't work, prior to that you're just marking targets for the little sociopaths.

Zam
By Pants-of-dog
#14916193
Zamuel wrote:No, ideology is philosophy more than anything, but call it frick or frack, I don't care. What you're talking about is "Brainwashing" children, and they know it, and they resent it, and eventually they reject it. They're out pissing swastikas on the neighbors lawn and you have no clue.

That must be why there's so much of it around, right. A couple dozen people can't even manage to respect each other on this silly forum. Out there, they're calling the cops on you because you wear a black T-shirt, because "Blacks aren't good tippers anyway." Burning crosses and beating each other with sticks. It's all just so rational and logical isn't it … What Have You Been Smoking ?!?!?


And yet things have significantly improved for women and society in general in terms of rape and sexual assault in the last few generations.

You are no longer legally allowed to rape your spouse, for example.

In 1978, only 24 percent of teenage boys and 44 percent of girls thought it was never acceptable for men to force sex on women, according to a psychological survey of 432 teenagers in Los Angeles. Answering on a five-point scale, the teens registered some degree of uncertainty that rape was wrong in instances where “he spent a lot of money on her” (39 percent of males and 12 percent of females could imagine situations where force was okay); where “she gets him sexually excited” (51 percent of boys and 42 percent of girls); or where “they have dated for a long time” (43 percent and 32 percent).

I am almost certain that if you did the same survey today, you would find significantly less teenagers are cool with rape.
User avatar
By Zamuel
#14916200
Pants-of-dog wrote:And yet things have significantly improved for women and society in general in terms of rape and sexual assault in the last few generations. You are no longer legally allowed to rape your spouse, for example.

I agree, there has been a rise in "Human Consciousness" that I think accounts for it. I think the exodus of sexual morality and the influx of pornography have decreased sexual neurosis and dispelled sexual taboos. "Women as property" has almost completely disappeared in the US and Western cultures.

As usual, a flock of opportunists seek to exploit the change for $$$ and power. A fringe of loonies feeds on the crumbs that remain … Progress …

[url=https://newrepublic.com/article/117381/slut-shaming-new-study-shows-teens-learn-sexual-violence-okay[/url]

I am almost certain that if you did the same survey today, you would find significantly less teenagers are cool with rape.

I would expect so. Todays teens have the advantage over their elders. They grew up within the higher consciousness and are not polluted with the old brain patterns. One younger woman who's company I occasionally enjoy (good cook!) confessed to me that she doesn't find pornography stimulating, but has found it instructive … :lol:

Zam :roll:
By Sivad
#14916295
Pants-of-dog wrote:Yes, your conspiracy theory is very logical and well supported by evidence.


Demonizing the opposition isn't a conspiracy theory, it's an age old propaganda technique. "Rape culture" is obviously just hyperbolic rhetoric, it's not a serious term.

If you are going to go around and call women degenerate retarded sluts for dressing a certain way and for being targeted for sexual assault, you are victim blaming.


:knife:

Again, your feelings about it do not change the fact that many teenage women do not report rape because they do not want to be accused of being sluts.


That's not a fact. Most rapes go unreported because they're difficult to prove and the accuser has to undergo a very public and very adversarial process. Most rape victims don't want to relive deeply personal violent traumas in front of the whole world. A lot of rapes go unreported also because most rapes are perpetrated by an intimate partner and the victim doesn't want to get their partner in trouble with the law. Where the issue of stigma does come up, the concern isn't being shamed as a slut, it's more about not wanting to be perceived as a victim or "damaged goods". Some victims don't tell their families because they don't want to subject their families to the pain and anguish of knowing. And rape is humiliating, victims often blame themselves and attribute the attack to their own weakness or stupidity. Fear of reprisal is also a major reason why women don't report rape. Slut shaming does occur and it is a problem, but it's one of many and it's certainly not the main reason why rape goes unreported.
By Pants-of-dog
#14916331
Sivad wrote:Demonizing the opposition isn't a conspiracy theory, it's an age old propaganda technique. "Rape culture" is obviously just hyperbolic rhetoric, it's not a serious term.


Oh, so you are demonising the opposition by insinuating that we have a secret agenda to lie about stuff in order to overthrow the patriarchy.

:knife:


Your complete lack of intelligent rebuttal is accepted as a concession of defeat.

That's not a fact. Most rapes go unreported because they're difficult to prove and the accuser has to undergo a very public and very adversarial process. Most rape victims don't want to relive deeply personal violent traumas in front of the whole world. A lot of rapes go unreported also because most rapes are perpetrated by an intimate partner and the victim doesn't want to get their partner in trouble with the law. Where the issue of stigma does come up, the concern isn't being shamed as a slut, it's more about not wanting to be perceived as a victim or "damaged goods". Some victims don't tell their families because they don't want to subject their families to the pain and anguish of knowing. And rape is humiliating, victims often blame themselves and attribute the attack to their own weakness or stupidity. Fear of reprisal is also a major reason why women don't report rape. Slut shaming does occur and it is a problem, but it's one of many and it's certainly not the main reason why rape goes unreported.


The fact that there are many other reasons why women do not come forward does not change the fact that teenage girls have to also deal with slut shaming if they come forward.

Please note that I did not argue that it was the only reason or even the main reason.
By Sivad
#14916332
Pants-of-dog wrote:Your complete lack of intelligent rebuttal is accepted as a concession of defeat.


:knife:
By Sivad
#14916335
Pants-of-dog wrote: we have a secret agenda to lie about stuff in order to overthrow the patriarchy.


Well it's good that you've finally admitted it, but we already knew that. Over the last 50 years society has eliminated all of the major forms of structural and institutional bigotry so all a hysterical SJW militant can do these days is attempt to inflate minor social issues into mass oppressions, but the majority just isn't willing to play along in these delusions. There are still many major social injustices left to be addressed but unfortunately the SJW crowd isn't interested in real issues like economic and political disenfranchisement or corporate control of media, instead they just keep dicking around with bullshit non-issues like "patriarchy" and "rape culture". The oligarchs of corporatism couldn't ask for a more useful bunch of idiots.
By Pants-of-dog
#14916340
For example, people often say that it is perfectly rational to tell women to not dress provocatively if they want to avoid sexual assault.

This assumes that women who dress in a sexy manner are more likely to get raped.

Intuitively, this makes sense.

But it is actually true?

Obviously, conservative Muslims think so, so it not that surprising that other conservatives do.

I was unable to find a study on attire and rape, but I did find one on attire and sexual harassment:
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/vi ... text=djglp

Some quotes:

    While people perceive dress to have an impact on who is assaulted, studies of rapists suggest that victim attire is not a significant factor. Instead, rapists look for signs of passiveness and submissiveness, which, studies suggest, are more likely to coincide with more body-concealing clothing.140 In a study to test whether males could determine whether women were high or low in passiveness and submissiveness, Richards and her colleagues found that men, using only nonverbal appearance cues, could accurately assess which women were passive and submissive versus those who were dominant and assertive.141 Clothing was one of the key cues: “Those females high in passivity and submissiveness (i.e., those at greatest risk for victimization) wore noticeably more body-concealing clothing (i.e., high necklines, long pants and sleeves, multiple layers).”142 This suggests that men equate body-concealing clothing with passive and submissive qualities, which are qualities that rapists look for in victims. Thus, those who wore provocative clothes would not be viewed as passive or submissive, and would be less likely to be victims of assault.

...and...

    Sexual harassment is about power; therefore, a target who is dressed provocatively is not the ideal target for the would-be harasser, who appears motivated at least in part by his ability to dominate his victim. Provocative dress
    does not necessarily signify submissiveness but instead may be an indication of confidence and assertiveness. It is clear, however, that comments about dress directed at plaintiffs are a component of sexual harassment allegations. Comments about dress are used to undermine working women’s authority and should be considered seriously by courts assessing sexual harassment claims.

And if we look in the footnotes of that study we find:
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177 ... 9100900408
But I cannot access it.

Anyway, it would seem it is not true that dressing provocatively increases the likelihood of being sexually assaulted.
User avatar
By Missus V. Spolia.
#14933980
Rape culture? Really? :lol:

Try moving to Saudi Arabia.
By skinster
#14934152
Rape culture doesn't mean just rape.

Aside from that,

SEXUAL VIOLENCE

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which includes crimes that were not reported to the police, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted in 2006. That’s more than 600 women every day.6 Other estimates, such as those generated by the FBI, are much lower because they rely on data from law enforcement agencies. A significant number of crimes are never even reported for reasons that include the victim’s feeling that nothing can/will be done and the personal nature of the incident.7
https://now.org/resource/violence-again ... statistic/
User avatar
By Missus V. Spolia.
#14934161
What is considered rape these days anyway?

Dirty looks?

:lol:

I fear for my sons more than my daughters in all honesty.
User avatar
By Rancid
#14934166
Missus V. Spolia. wrote:What is considered rape these days anyway?

Dirty looks?

:lol:

I fear for my sons more than my daughters in all honesty.


I like to stand outside the women's restroom at work. When a woman comes out, I start barking at them.
User avatar
By Rancid
#14934169
jessupjonesjnr87 wrote:I think using terms like rape culture is a good way to derail the conversation before it even starts.


You do have a point. Extending the word rape to things that aren't actually rape is disingenuous. That's not to say behaviors like barking at women as they leave the restroom is not wrong. We certainly shouldn't raise our boys to do shit like that, but to classify it as a kind of rape feels excessive and disproportionate.

Let me ask you this, what phrase would better capture the point people are trying to make when they say "rape culture"?
User avatar
By jessupjonesjnr87
#14934172
Maybe a culture of sexual aggression towards women or disrespect. Admittedly not as catchy a sound bite.
User avatar
By Rancid
#14934181
jessupjonesjnr87 wrote:Maybe a culture of sexual aggression towards women or disrespect. Admittedly not as catchy a sound bite.


Yea, that much more reasonable to me.
User avatar
By Albert
#14934188
Rancid wrote:You do have a point. Extending the word rape to things that aren't actually rape is disingenuous. That's not to say behaviors like barking at women as they leave the restroom is not wrong. We certainly shouldn't raise our boys to do shit like that, but to classify it as a kind of rape feels excessive and disproportionate.

Let me ask you this, what phrase would better capture the point people are trying to make when they say "rape culture"?
I think rape culture idea confuses disrespect and abusive behaviour with actual rape. Essentially I see they do came from the same destructive place but it is still important to differentiate between the two. Otherwise it would be the same as labeling insulting words with violent assault in the same category.
  • 1
  • 28
  • 29
  • 30
  • 31
  • 32
  • 35

Isn't oil and electricity bought and sold like ev[…]

@Potemkin I heard this song in the Plaza Grande […]

Russia-Ukraine War 2022

The "Russian empire" story line is inve[…]

I (still) have a dream

Even with those millions though. I will not be ab[…]