- 15 Oct 2018 13:53
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"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals... is incompatible with freedom."
- Patrick Henry
I was thinking on this issue as I was reading up on the history of communist revolutions throughout the world, and one strain I have seen as consistent throughout is the use of guns and weapons as a means of the proletariat working class to claim what they believe truly belongs to them.
[NOTE]: *I am addressing this to Leftists, Anarchists, Communists, and Socialists on the Forum Primarily. *
If the working classes are being exploited by the bourgeois class of factory owners, wall-street bankers, and politicians, it only makes sense that in taking what is rightfully theirs (the means of production, the state, etc.) that leftists ought to be pro-gun. Historically this seems hard to deny; the use of the private retention of fire arms was pivotal in the conflicts between the unions and the U.S. government; especially in the Homestead Strike and the Battle of Blair Mountain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike
Furthermore, every major communist revolution required the popular possession of firearms to achieve revolution and only a cursory examination of history reveals this fact.
I mean lets be honest, how can you take control of the means of production via a grass-roots revolution without firearms?
Furthermore; several communists on PoFo have admitted that they are not opposed to gun ownership, they only oppose the working class in the U.S. being denied such. (I have heard remarks like this from the likes of The Immoral Goon and Decky and to a lesser degree from guys like PoD and Ingliz and I believe (if memory serves) people like Red Army and Potemkin (though my memory could be mistaken). So it seems communists and leftists should actually be pro-gun but tend to justify supporting anti-gun politics because they believe the working class would be deprived in a pro-gun environment (which doesn't make much sense, in the U.S. at least).
However, that is the kicker, the working class in the U.S. is able to acquire and possess firearms, so how isn't it grossly inconsistent on the part of leftists to support gun control (that would primarily deprive the working classes) and political parties that advocate such?
Indeed, the use of firearms was essential to every revolution and was a fundamental belief among the unions in the early 20th century.
Though bad-trade deals and republican policies in the U.S have weakened the unions, the mass exodus of union members from the Democrat party to the Republican party in 2016 was largely because of the gun issue (as well as other cultural issues).
So; for the poll, can we finally put this matter to rest?
Is it true that consistent communists and leftists SHOULD be pro-gun and support a broad (conservative) interpretation of the Second Amendment and even support the reversal of the automatic weapons ban that was implemented back in the 1980s? I think so. (This of course assuming that leftists are more than just lying and opportunistic statists)
But Let me know what you think.
[NOTE]: *I am addressing this to Leftists, Anarchists, Communists, and Socialists on the Forum Primarily. *
If the working classes are being exploited by the bourgeois class of factory owners, wall-street bankers, and politicians, it only makes sense that in taking what is rightfully theirs (the means of production, the state, etc.) that leftists ought to be pro-gun. Historically this seems hard to deny; the use of the private retention of fire arms was pivotal in the conflicts between the unions and the U.S. government; especially in the Homestead Strike and the Battle of Blair Mountain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike
Furthermore, every major communist revolution required the popular possession of firearms to achieve revolution and only a cursory examination of history reveals this fact.
I mean lets be honest, how can you take control of the means of production via a grass-roots revolution without firearms?
Furthermore; several communists on PoFo have admitted that they are not opposed to gun ownership, they only oppose the working class in the U.S. being denied such. (I have heard remarks like this from the likes of The Immoral Goon and Decky and to a lesser degree from guys like PoD and Ingliz and I believe (if memory serves) people like Red Army and Potemkin (though my memory could be mistaken). So it seems communists and leftists should actually be pro-gun but tend to justify supporting anti-gun politics because they believe the working class would be deprived in a pro-gun environment (which doesn't make much sense, in the U.S. at least).
However, that is the kicker, the working class in the U.S. is able to acquire and possess firearms, so how isn't it grossly inconsistent on the part of leftists to support gun control (that would primarily deprive the working classes) and political parties that advocate such?
Indeed, the use of firearms was essential to every revolution and was a fundamental belief among the unions in the early 20th century.
Though bad-trade deals and republican policies in the U.S have weakened the unions, the mass exodus of union members from the Democrat party to the Republican party in 2016 was largely because of the gun issue (as well as other cultural issues).
So; for the poll, can we finally put this matter to rest?
Is it true that consistent communists and leftists SHOULD be pro-gun and support a broad (conservative) interpretation of the Second Amendment and even support the reversal of the automatic weapons ban that was implemented back in the 1980s? I think so. (This of course assuming that leftists are more than just lying and opportunistic statists)
But Let me know what you think.
"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals... is incompatible with freedom."
- Patrick Henry