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Should Memes and Trolling be Considered Election Interference or Voter Suppression?

Yes, memes and trolling can be election interference or voter suppression.
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No, they should never be considered these things.
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Depends.
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Other.
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#14955091
I've seen articles in major publications, like the New York Times, calling things like the NPC meme "voter suppression" and the fact that a "Russian troll farm" can be considered election interference also weirded me out. Particularly when compared to people who think that non-citizens should be allowed to vote in western elections, I find it hard to understand how a citizen (or a non-citizen for that matter) trolling on the internet could be viewed as election interference, and/or as voter suppression. I have also personally never seen anyone make a serious attempt at explaining these things and wouldn't mind seeing someone try.
#14955193
One of the funniest things about this Russian interference thing is that the "Russian troll farm" may have been an apartment full of guys drinking vodka who thought it would be funny to put Hillary Clinton's face onto a porn video of a white woman having sex with a black man and title it "how Democrats get votes", and then to their surprise their screen names (which were shit like "Sleepy Bear" etc.) get indicted by an American prosecutor and then maybe they're like "I knew it!" and actually believe that they got Donald Trump elected President.
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Hong Wu wrote:Related: is trolling a human right?
Listen, I know you like to spread tabloid-esque thoughts. Trolling is internet jargon for harassment. A meme is essentially a Warholian electronic image. Memes and trolling are not new things. This is what you're asking- should electronic images and online harassment be considered election interference and/or voter suppression? Well, we shouldn't ban electronic images and online harassment hasn't been properly defined. Online harassment is a real problem, and it interferes with life, not just an election. We should update our penal codes and define cyber harassment. And yes an electronic image can become a form of online harassment.

Lastly, perhaps this article is more concerning:

Preserving the Right to Cognitive Liberty

A new type of brain-imaging technology could expose—even change—our private thoughts


The idea of the human mind as the domain of absolute protection from external intrusion has persisted for centuries. Today, however, this presumption might no longer hold. Sophisticated neuroimaging machines and brain-computer interfaces detect the electrical activity of neurons, enabling us to decode and even alter the nervous system signals that accompany mental processes. Whereas these advances have a great potential for research and medicine, they pose a fundamental ethical, legal and social challenge: determining whether or under what conditions it is legitimate to gain access to or interfere with another person's neural activity.

This question has special social relevance because many neurotechnologies have moved away from a medical setting and into the commercial domain. Attempts to decode mental information via imaging are also occurring in court cases, sometimes in a scientifically questionable way. For example, in 2008 a woman in India was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment on the basis of a brain scan showing, according to the judge, “experiential knowledge” about the crime. The potential use of neural technology as a lie detector for interrogation purposes has garnered particular attention. In spite of experts' skepticism, commercial companies are marketing the use of functional MRI- and electroencephalography-based technology to ascertain truth and falsehood. The military is also testing monitoring techniques for another reason: to use brain stimulation to increase a fighter's alertness and attention.

Brain-reading technology can be seen as just another unavoidable trend that erodes a bit more of our personal space in the digital world. But given the sanctity of our mental privacy, we might not be so willing to accept this intrusion. People could, in fact, look at this technology as something that requires the reconceptualization of basic human rights and even the creation of neurospecific rights.

Lawyers are already talking about a right to cognitive liberty. It would entitle people to make free and competent decisions regarding the use of technology that can affect their thoughts. A right to mental privacy would protect individuals against unconsented-to intrusion by third parties into their brain data, as well as against the unauthorized collection of those data. Breaches of privacy at the neural level could be more dangerous than conventional ones because they can bypass the level of conscious reasoning, leaving us without protections from having our mind read involuntarily. This risk applies not only to predatory marketing studies or to courts using such technology excessively but also to applications that would affect general consumers. This last category is growing. Recently Facebook unveiled a plan to create a speech-to-text interface to translate thoughts directly from brain to computer. Similar attempts are being made by companies such as Samsung and Netflix. In the future, brain control could replace the keyboard and speech recognition as the primary way to interact with computers.

If brain-scanning tools become ubiquitous, novel possibilities for misuse will arise—cybersecurity breaches included. Medical devices connected to the brain are vulnerable to sabotage, and neuroscientists at the University of Oxford suggest that the same vulnerability applies to brain implants, leading to the possibility of a phenomenon called brainjacking. Such potential for misuse might prompt us to reconceptualize the right to mental integrity, already recognized as a fundamental human right to mental health. This new understanding would not only protect people from being denied access to treatment for mental illness but would also protect all of us from harmful manipulations of our neural activity through the misuse of technology.

Finally, a right to psychological continuity might preserve people's mental life from external alteration by third parties. The same kind of brain interventions being explored to reduce the need for sleep in the military could be adapted to make soldiers more belligerent or fearless. Neurotechnology brings benefits, but to minimize unintended risks, we need an open debate involving neuroscientists, legal experts, ethicists and general citizens.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... e-liberty/


Run along now, return to the playground and tell your friends all about cognitive liberty.
#14955305
Which political candidate would election meddlers most likely be in favour of? Who would Vladimir Putin want to win?

Figure that out, then ban all memes favourable to the candidate in question, as they are a form of political propaganda, designed to influence the outcome of American elections on behalf of a foreign state.

Memes should be treated in light of what they are: propaganda that has the potential to disrupt the ordinary voting patterns of the population. In practice, this is a form of election meddling. The manufacture and dissemination of such propaganda needs to be tightly regulated; the future of Western democracy may depends on it. Without the influence of memes and social media it is unlikely that Trump would have won the election. Memes are clearly disruptive in nature, and the sooner these things are properly controlled and regulated, the better.

Pro-Trump memes, in particular, should be banned because Trump is the candidate that Russian election meddlers would want to win, as part of a broader strategy to disrupt the political process in all Western countries.

It is impossible to trace the national origin of all the political propaganda on the internet. It is possible for memes to be disseminated through social media by Russian propagandists that pose as Americans and spoof their IP addresses; the memes are then spread by American citizens, reaching millions of potential voters, most of whom are unaware of the Russian origin of such propaganda.

Therefore, instead of tracing every meme to its original source, we should identify which political candidates the election meddlers are most likely to support, and then ban any memes that are in favour of that particular candidate.

Any memes which favour the candidacy of Donald Trump in the next presidential election, should be banned on social media as a preemptive measure against potential election meddling. They should be banned on sight, without hesitation.
#14955490
Vyth wrote:Which political candidate would election meddlers most likely be in favour of? Who would Vladimir Putin want to win?

Figure that out, then ban all memes favourable to the candidate in question, as they are a form of political propaganda, designed to influence the outcome of American elections on behalf of a foreign state.
All art is propaganda; on the other hand, not all propaganda is art.

Memes should be treated in light of what they are: propaganda that has the potential to disrupt the ordinary voting patterns of the population. In practice, this is a form of election meddling.
A meme is an electronic image. I suppose you'd be in favor of banning billboards, posters, leaflets, etc?

The manufacture and dissemination of such propaganda needs to be tightly regulated; the future of Western democracy may depends on it. Without the influence of memes and social media it is unlikely that Trump would have won the election. Memes are clearly disruptive in nature, and the sooner these things are properly controlled and regulated, the better.
Actually, organized cyber harassment is disruptive. You know, paid keyboard warriors and the AI/computer algorithms that fish or troll the social media pool. Despite the fact that intelligence agencies use social media to orchestrate political angst, there can be REAL movements. Look at Arab Spring, you know intelligence agencies fanned the flames, but it was a REAL movement. Only a repressive regime would want to control and regulate social media and electronic images. Democracy is founded on ideas, not votes. Votes follow ideas. Limit the flow of ideas, limit the flow of votes.

Pro-Trump memes, in particular, should be banned because Trump is the candidate that Russian election meddlers would want to win, as part of a broader strategy to disrupt the political process in all Western countries.
While we're at it, we should ban corporate ads, because those ads are part of a broader strategy to lobby and manipulate the political process.

It is impossible to trace the national origin of all the political propaganda on the internet. It is possible for memes to be disseminated through social media by Russian propagandists that pose as Americans and spoof their IP addresses; the memes are then spread by American citizens, reaching millions of potential voters, most of whom are unaware of the Russian origin of such propaganda.
An educated populace is your best defense. BUT, there is a conflict of interest, because if you have a highly educated population, domestic propaganda would become ineffective.

Do you know of any studies that link education level and the effects of propaganda?

Therefore, instead of tracing every meme to its original source, we should identify which political candidates the election meddlers are most likely to support, and then ban any memes that are in favour of that particular candidate.
That's a ridiculous and repressive suggestion.

Any memes which favour the candidacy of Donald Trump in the next presidential election, should be banned on social media as a preemptive measure against potential election meddling. They should be banned on sight, without hesitation.
Perhaps a democracy should ban political ads altogether, and force candidates to distribute their propaganda locally. Take commercial interests out of the political process and regulate the debate through a public forum. Get people off the couch, off the phone, off the computer, get em involved FACE-to-FACE.

Electronic media has been ruining the political process for sometime, and it's not a new problem. Go and study the history of American political debate. Radio and television changed it, and the internet is our newest filter.
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Vyth wrote:Which political candidate would election meddlers most likely be in favour of? Who would Vladimir Putin want to win?

Figure that out, then ban all memes favourable to the candidate in question, as they are a form of political propaganda, designed to influence the outcome of American elections on behalf of a foreign state.

Memes should be treated in light of what they are: propaganda that has the potential to disrupt the ordinary voting patterns of the population. In practice, this is a form of election meddling. The manufacture and dissemination of such propaganda needs to be tightly regulated; the future of Western democracy may depends on it. Without the influence of memes and social media it is unlikely that Trump would have won the election. Memes are clearly disruptive in nature, and the sooner these things are properly controlled and regulated, the better.

Pro-Trump memes, in particular, should be banned because Trump is the candidate that Russian election meddlers would want to win, as part of a broader strategy to disrupt the political process in all Western countries.

It is impossible to trace the national origin of all the political propaganda on the internet. It is possible for memes to be disseminated through social media by Russian propagandists that pose as Americans and spoof their IP addresses; the memes are then spread by American citizens, reaching millions of potential voters, most of whom are unaware of the Russian origin of such propaganda.

Therefore, instead of tracing every meme to its original source, we should identify which political candidates the election meddlers are most likely to support, and then ban any memes that are in favour of that particular candidate.

Any memes which favour the candidacy of Donald Trump in the next presidential election, should be banned on social media as a preemptive measure against potential election meddling. They should be banned on sight, without hesitation.

#14955499
^We must draw a distinction between politics and entertainment. We've blurred the two, hence the absurdity. Combine that with a short-attention span- and BLAMO, modern politics. Reality television.
#14955623
Hong Wu wrote:I'm not going to google things for you, maybe you should pay attention and read articles in mainstream publications so that you know what's going on before you try and debate people.


Or you just read something and got it wrong. That is what I will believe,

Why do you want to feel like a victim for memeing?
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