[SSDR]

politicalcompass.org

Where are you on the Political Compass?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdc ... kin%20Self

I am on the Upper Left Part of the chart.

General ideologies on the Lower Left Part of the chart is anarchy, Western Marxism, the community of RevLeft, radical liberalism, and anarcho socialism. This part of the grid is ghetto, run down and decayed. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Mac Miller.

General ideologies on the Lower Right Part of the chart is anarcho capitalism, minarchism, MGTOW, and libertarianism. This part of the grid is hillbillish, since it is both ghetto and run down (due to being closer to anarchist views), AND it is family oriented and religious. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Phil Robertson.

General ideologies on the Upper Left Part of the chart is socialism, various forms of Marxist thought such as Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, or neo-Stalinism. National Bolshevikism, Juche, anti Zionist leftism, and socially conservative social democracy. This part of the grid is the best, since it's revolutionary and progressive, without the ghetto shit. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Margot Honecker.

General ideologies on the Upper Right Part of the chart is conservativism, ultraconservativism, Christian fundamentalism, Islamic extremism, National Socialism, the NSDAP, and national conservativism. This part of the grid is the most oppressive, because it is shame inflicting, it doesn't recognize domestic abuse, and it thinks that anyone who rebels against oppressive authorities like this is "selfish" and should not be "taken care of" by society, meaning they would have to die for not supporting this. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Francisco Franco.

These are my general views on each part of the grid. I don't mean to be offensive to anyone.

[Deutschmania]

I got this as my score

Economic Left/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44

, which has me placed in the lower left hand corner . I still consider myself to be basically a Communist though .

[JohnRawls]

politicalcompass.org

Where are you on the Political Compass?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdc ... kin%20Self

I am on the Upper Left Part of the chart.

General ideologies on the Lower Left Part of the chart is anarchy, Western Marxism, the community of RevLeft, radical liberalism, and anarcho socialism. This part of the grid is ghetto, run down and decayed. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Mac Miller.

General ideologies on the Lower Right Part of the chart is anarcho capitalism, minarchism, MGTOW, and libertarianism. This part of the grid is hillbillish, since it is both ghetto and run down (due to being closer to anarchist views), AND it is family oriented and religious. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Phil Robertson.

General ideologies on the Upper Left Part of the chart is socialism, various forms of Marxist thought such as Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, or neo-Stalinism. National Bolshevikism, Juche, anti Zionist leftism, and socially conservative social democracy. This part of the grid is the best, since it's revolutionary and progressive, without the ghetto shit. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Margot Honecker.

General ideologies on the Upper Right Part of the chart is conservativism, ultraconservativism, Christian fundamentalism, Islamic extremism, National Socialism, the NSDAP, and national conservativism. This part of the grid is the most oppressive, because it is shame inflicting, it doesn't recognize domestic abuse, and it thinks that anyone who rebels against oppressive authorities like this is "selfish" and should not be "taken care of" by society, meaning they would have to die for not supporting this. An example of someone who is in this part of the grid is Francisco Franco.

These are my general views on each part of the grid. I don't mean to be offensive to anyone.

Near the center around -0.5 and -0.5 in the bottom left corner. Has been approximately the same result for a long time now.

This time i got:
Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79

[Zionist Nationalist]

Economic Left/Right: -1.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46

some questions are a bit weird and should have the option to be skipped

[SolarCross]

The Political Compass has a spurious redunancy in that "social" matters are separated from "economic" matters when really they are not different things. The authoritarian (really totalitarian) / libertarian axis is fine and fine on its own as an alternative presentation of the overton window. The issue is centralisation vs de-centralisation or collectivism vs individualism. Thus the left is totalitarian and right is libertarian. Keynesians are in the middle.

[Pants-of-dog]

This is the first time I have seen anyone argue that the political conpass is too complicated.

The usual criticism is that it does not have enough axes to give an accurate representation of people’s different beliefs.

[SolarCross]

This is the first time I have seen anyone argue that the political conpass is too complicated.

The usual criticism is that it does not have enough axes to give an accurate representation of people’s different beliefs.

I am not saying it is too complicated I am saying it has redundancies. Of course it is too simple.

[B0ycey]

I'm more on the left than... Gandhi!!!



Things like this depends on the questions asked I guess.

[Pants-of-dog]

I am not saying it is too complicated I am saying it has redundancies. Of course it is too simple.

You are saying it has too many axes.

Usually the opposite is said.

[SolarCross]

You are saying it has too many axes.

Usually the opposite is said.

No I am saying it only has only one axis pretending to be two. It absolutely could have more axes just not more of the same because, as I said, that would be redundant. Try these as better alternatives:

Militant <> Pacifist
Xenophobe <> Xenophile
Conservative <> Subversive
Materialist <> Immaterialist

[Pants-of-dog]

Oh i see.

You are displaying your usual error of thinking leftists are all authoritarians.

Unfortunately for you, reality disagrees by providing examples of dictatorships with free market economies and democratic socialism.

[SolarCross]

Oh i see.

You are displaying your usual error of thinking leftists are all authoritarians.

Unfortunately for you, reality disagrees by providing examples of dictatorships with free market economies and democratic socialism.

I think totalitarian is a better label. See everyone is an authoritarian within their sphere of interest. The libertarian wants to be authoritarian over himself, the totalitarian wants to be authoritarian over everyone and everything they do.

It is a spectrum not a discrete binary, as I stated in the middle you have keynesians. Just to the left of the keynesians you find the "democratic socialists" further still and you get the Marxists and their variants.

[Pants-of-dog]

Yes, I am already aware of, and bored of, your prejudices. Now that I figured out how baseless your criticisms are, there is no reason to discuss them any more.

[SolarCross]

Yes, I am already aware of, and bored of, your prejudices. Now that I figured out how baseless your criticisms are, there is no reason to discuss them any more.

Overton made his window up and down rather than left or right exactly to try to get away from the mess of associations which are bundled up in the left-right arbitrary spatial metaphor. So if we were to make an actually good political compass we can do away with left and right for centralisation vs de-centralisation and use the up and down axis for that only. The left <> right axis should be assigned to a quality that is truly perpendicular to the quality of authority distribution. Of my earlier suggestions let's try out the conservative<>subversive axis. We can put subversive on the left and conservative on the right which fits pretty well with the original political spectrum which evolved from Carlyle's commentary of the french revolution. So let's say:

Up is Totalitarian
Down is Libertarian
Left is Subversive
Right is Conservative

So a marxist agitating against a free society would be an UP-LEFTIST because he wants but does not have totalitarianism. A marxist governing in the latter days of the USSR would be an UP-RIGHTIST because he has and is trying to preserve totalitarianism. A libertarian like @Victoribus Spoila in the US today might be a DOWN-LEFTIST because he wants but does not have libertarianism (arguably the US political mainstream is a little bit libertarian but in practice it is actually well within the Keynesian domain for most issues). Assuming he ever achieved his longed for Ancapistan that would move him to be a DOWN-RIGHTEST as someone who has and is trying to preserve libertarianism.

[Pants-of-dog]

I have no idea why you quoted me there.

[Rancid]

I'm dead center on both axis.

[SSDR]

@JohnRawls, Well you seem like you're a centrist liberal according to your answer.

For me, my economic is - 10, while my social is + 5.

The more up you go, the more organized it is. The more down you go, the more ghetto and trashy it is. The more left you go, the more progressive it is. The more right you go, the more conservative and oppressive it is.

[SolarCross]

I'm leaning towards ditching subversive <> conservative because it says less about what one actually believes so much as say something about the context in which one is doing one's believing.

Militant <> pacifist seems more fundamental, pertinent and descriptive.

[SSDR]

@SolarCross, Well if you are a fascist, an ultraconservative, or some other traditional, anti socialist ideology that promotes a faith based authority, then you would be on the upper right part of the grid.

[JohnRawls]

@JohnRawls, Well you seem like you're a centrist liberal according to your answer.

For me, my economic is - 10, while my social is + 5.

The more up you go, the more organized it is. The more down you go, the more ghetto and trashy it is. The more left you go, the more progressive it is. The more right you go, the more conservative and oppressive it is.

I know how it works and we honestly discussed this test so many times. In my opinion anybody going outside -/+2 -/+2 are lunatics honestly. While anybody inside are sane but boring people.