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Who Do You WANT To Be The Next Global Super Power?

1. USA
12
33%
2. CHINA
2
6%
3. EU
1
3%
4. COMMONWEALTH REALMS
2
6%
5. RUSSIA
1
3%
6. INDIA
No votes
0%
7. JAPAN-KOREA-ASIAN-TIGERS UNION
3
8%
8. ARAB UNION/ISLAMIC CALIPHATE
1
3%
9. LATIN AMERICA
No votes
0%
10. AFRICA
No votes
0%
11. MULTI-POLAR
7
19%
12. OTHER (ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE ETC.)
7
19%
#15086925
Britain was it from the industrial revolution up until WW2 when the USA took over. The USSR was a challenger for that role but in the end failed leaving the US largely unchallenged since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

So who could be next after the US?

The EU now is emerging as a possible contender and Russia is still Russia. Then of course China has been becoming more and more powerful. India is an outside bet but still a contender because of huge manpower. The real wealth of empire is always manpower, not money, natural resources or even technology, because it is manpower that makes or takes all those things. Finally Britain as a member of the Commonwealth Realms may have another turn at it because post-brexit the way is open for the Commonwealth Realms to act together in a more co-ordinated way. The combined resources of the Commonwealth Realms is certainly comparable to any of the previously mentioned contenders.

There are three or four other potentials candidates that I think to be very unlikely but I will include anyway. Some kind of east-asian union (not communist) formed out of Japan, Korea and the other Asian Tigers. This might emerge as a result of the US pulling back out of the pacific and China pressing against that retreat. Another unlikely candidate would be an Arabic/Islamic Union/Caliphate (potential manpower 1 billion muslims). There is a massive potential there and they have done it before back in the middle ages and even up to the early modern period when you think of the Ottoman Empire) but currently infighting and shit tier industrial and technological capacity is stifling that potential. Another might be the Bolivarian dream of a united Latin America. Latin America has that potential because of a common spanish colonial heritage across a pretty huge area and enormous numbers of people, but again that potential is stifled by relative disunity and shit-tier industrial and technological capacity. Finally Africa might unite in some way. It's a big place with lots of people but otherwise the prospects are really poor.

Now pay attention! My question is NOT who do you think WILL be the next global super power but who do you WANT to be the next global superpower. This is the really interesting question because no one can read the future so there is no valid answer to "WILL" but "WANT" absolutely is answerable accurately and anyway if I asked "WILL" you would all answer as if I said "WANT" because all of you basically operate in a wishful thinking bubble anyway. Patriotic americans will say murica WILL when they really mean WANT. Commies will say China WILL when they really mean WANT. etc. It is same thing running behind the ridiculous "late capitalism" prophecy, there is no genuine prediction just wishful thinking.

Now that we are clear on the question. Let us consider that whichever team makes it as the next global superpower will be shaping the international institutions according to their own values and interests. Team America values individualism, capitalism etc and is largely built on a Christian cultural base common with europeans and latins. Team China has its own, quite different values. And so on with Islamics, Indians etc. Bear this in mind with who you are voting for.

A final point is that I include the US as an option despite the question being "next" because some people will want to vote for America to remain in this position for as long as possible and that is a valid choice for a question that is about what people "WANT".

I think the options are very comprehensive but I will put in an option "OTHER" for the sake of lightman's rule but also there may be other possibilities I have not thought of... brain-eating parasites from alpha-centuri, zombie apocaplyse or planet of the apes.. who knows what some here might want. :eek:

EDIT: Actually there is another possibility: a multi-polar world in which no particular block is dominant, so that will be included too for those that want that.
Last edited by SolarCross on 25 Apr 2020 15:25, edited 1 time in total.
#15086929
Japan, Korea, Asian Tigers Union.

I think ASEAN is going to come out of this pandemic a lot better than the Western nations.
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#15086932
That's an odd question.

It's clearly multi-polar at the moment, but who knows what the future holds.

This isn't just about recovery, the game itself just changed. The difference looks microscopic at the moment, but a LOT of pigeons are coming home to roost.

It's chaotic, in the math sense of the word, which means it's hard to predict.

China will likely become the regional hegemon, but Xi has ambitions. However, it is in the nature of things to resist. I really don't mean that the way it sounds. I am just looking for patterns that feel right. It's a Go thing.
#15086941
late wrote:It's not about me.

What they control you somehow? :eh: Or do you just not understand the question? Try re-reading the OP until you get it.

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On another note I see two people have voted other.. That's okay but could you not explain what that "other" is in the thread because otherwise it is just a wasted vote.
#15086945
Probably still the US, just not the US the way it has been since at least LBJ. So basically the US without Zionist influence (think of LBJ's involvement in the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty; this was when complete Western obedience for political Zionism started) and the Hart-Celler act of 1965 that was signed into law by LBJ.
#15086946
SolarCross wrote:
What they control you somehow? Or do you just not understand the question? Try re-reading the OP until you get it.



It's a leading question, dime store propaganda.

It's a tactic you see a lot in push polls, it's a crude attempt to drive opinion via tribalism.

That's the opposite of analysis. Foreign policy should reflect the real interests of a country..
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#15086947
late wrote:It's a leading question, dome store propaganda.

It's a tactic you see a lot in push polls, it's a crude attempt to drive opinion via tribalism.

That's the opposite of analysis. Foreign affairs should reflect the interests of the country, not corrupt fools.


False, but you can continue to hide your not very secret allegiances to the CPC if you want. I do not care.
#15086948
SolarCross wrote:
False, but you can continue to hide your not very secret allegiances to the CPC if you want. I do not care.



That's a troll, not an argument.

We're in a crisis, and we know from past experience cooperation will help a lot. Which means stoking conflict is the worst of all possible choices, short of war.

You've got a knack for finding ways to make matters a lot worse.
#15086949
late wrote:That's a troll, not an argument.

We're in a crisis, and we know from past experience cooperation will help a lot. Which means stoking conflict is the worst of all possible choices, short of war.

You've got a knack for finding ways to make matters a lot worse.

If that were true you could vote "multipolar" and shut the fuck up, but no you have to be all weird. Do you see anyone else in the thread failing to understand the question and answer it in a straight forward way? No it is just you dissimulating. Stupid of you to even participate in this thread if you are looking to keep your allegiences to the CPC secret, you should have just ignored this thread. You blundered.
#15086954
SolarCross wrote:
If that were true you could vote "multipolar" and shut the fuck up, but no you have to be all weird.

Do you see anyone else in the thread failing to understand the question and answer it in a straight forward way? No it is just you dissimulating.

Stupid of you to even participate in this thread if you are looking to keep your allegiences to the CPC secret, you should have just ignored this thread. You blundered.



I didn't like what you were trying to do, as I have explained.

You have the hidden agenda, not me. That's projecting. I'm as subtle as a brick.

You lose with such grace.
#15086957
late wrote:I didn't like what you were trying to do, as I have explained.

You have the hidden agenda, not me. That's projecting. I'm as subtle as a brick.

You lose with such grace.

My agenda is out in the open unlike you. Give my regards to Xi, you are now dismissed.
#15086980
late wrote:Thanks.

That was my first actual laugh of the day.

I get the feeling you are only dimly aware of the agendas that get handed to you.

More fake news from the undercover Xi fanboy. You know if you had any courage you could just shill for the CPC openly... This is pofo we have plenty of people shilling for the EU or Russia or even the CPC bold as brass and that is completely fine. So man up.
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