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Should Donald Trump Be Placed On Mount Rushmore?

Yes
7
26%
No
16
59%
Other
4
15%
#15132820
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:Selected other because "rofl" wasn't an option.

I support Trump. Having said that, I can only assume that this poll is rhetorical.

No, it's to sample the opinions of the people here, and "other" was for the more radical leftists who want to destroy the monument or something. My future polls will not have an "other" option. I'm anti-Trump and I think that putting him there would disgrace the monument, but the poll was done in good faith
#15132824
Random American wrote:No, it's to sample the opinions of the people here, and "other" was for the more radical leftists who want to destroy the monument or something. My future polls will not have an "other" option. I'm anti-Trump and I think that putting him there would disgrace the monument, but the poll was done in good faith


I'm definitely not far-left. In fact, I see the American far-left as a cancer.

I don't see how ANYONE could say "yeah, Trump deserves to be on Mount Rushmore" with a straight face. To say that would put someone in a section of the cult of personality where they give you dull scissors and tie mittens to your winter coat.
#15132826
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:I'm definitely not far-left. In fact, I see the American far-left as a cancer.

I don't see how ANYONE could say "yeah, Trump deserves to be on Mount Rushmore" with a straight face. To say that would put someone in a section of the cult of personality where they give you dull scissors and tie mittens to your winter coat.

I can tell you're right-wing and not "far-left" and I made this poll because Trump supposedly wants to be on that monument, and he certainly doesn't deserve to be on it. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln were far greater men than Trump.
#15132835
Random American wrote:I can tell you're right-wing and not "far-left" and I made this poll because Trump supposedly wants to be on that monument, and he certainly doesn't deserve to be on it. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln were far greater men than Trump.


Trump wants a lot of shit he won't get - the next of which will be official in the next day or two.

In my absence, was there so much made over every head-scratchingly idiotic statement he ever said? It seems to me that if there was, much of it belongs in the Satire forum over any PoFo forum meant for legitimate discussion.

Also I wouldn't call myself "right-wing". For the bulk of my life, I was a libertarian. However, I finally wised up. The same knocks I had on socialism, I have on libertarianism as well. The main one being the typical "works on paper" concept, but I realized that my pro-libertarian argument was based on Americans as a whole having the intelligence to maximize their own freedoms, understand their consequences, harness their own power, and properly vocalize their grievances. Now I wake up to the fact that Americans are far too stupid as a whole to ever hope for that.

To surmise my ideology today, let's just say that when I watch V for Vendetta, I see myself rooting for Sutler. I guess you COULD call that right-wing if you so choose.
#15132841
Random American wrote:Then you're a fascist.

Btw, are you an American yourself?


I am an American.

I am NOT a fascist, because I believe in a free economy. All fascism is, is the eventual metamorphosis of socialism. I believe in the ASIA principle - All Socialism Is Authoritarian. Don't google it; I made up the term myself. I believe that "democratic socialism" is oxymoronic.

I'm not a fascist. I'm an elitist and a meritocrat.
#15132844
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:I am an American.

I am NOT a fascist, because I believe in a free economy. All fascism is, is the eventual metamorphosis of socialism. I believe in the ASIA principle - All Socialism Is Authoritarian. Don't google it; I made up the term myself. I believe that "democratic socialism" is oxymoronic.

I'm not a fascist. I'm an elitist and a meritocrat.

You yourself are at least authoritarian if you're going to support or sympathize with a dictator in a totalitarian regime, and fascism more political and how society should be unified around a traditionalist dictator, not an economic system, and you still qualify. Mixing it with market fundamentalism and kleptocracy doesn't really change that at all, nor magically make it less authoritarian.
#15132848
Random American wrote:You yourself are at least authoritarian if you're going to support or sympathize with a dictator in a totalitarian regime, and fascism more political and how society should be unified around a traditionalist dictator, not an economic system, and you still qualify. Mixing it with market fundamentalism and kleptocracy doesn't really change that at all, nor magically make it less authoritarian.


Kleptocracy? Nah. There are such things as a benevolent dictator.

Plato's "philosopher-kings", in theory, is probably the best sort of rule (assuming it could be duplicated).
#15132849
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:Kleptocracy? Nah. There are such things as a benevolent dictator.

Plato's "philosopher-kings", in theory, is probably the best sort of rule (assuming it could be duplicated).

A form of kleptocracy occurs when a capitalist market is not sufficiently regulated and these massive corporations end up controlling the government. I'm not saying abolish capitalism to go to communism, but market fundementalism (which you still seem to believe in) does lead to kleptocracy where the wealthy dominate the economy and society and everyone else is left behind forced to work at starvation wages for the elite's benefit alone. Also, many fascists quote Plato on those "philosopher kings," as I have spoke to some fascists on other sites. You don't stand out on that.
#15132851
Random American wrote:A form of kleptocracy occurs when a capitalist market is not sufficiently regulated and these massive corporations end up controlling the government. I'm not saying abolish capitalism to go to communism, but market fundementalism (which you still seem to believe in) does lead to kleptocracy where the wealthy dominate the economy and society and everyone else is left behind forced to work at starvation wages for the elite's benefit alone. Also, many fascists quote Plato on those "philosopher kings," as I have spoke to some fascists on other sites. You don't stand out on that.


If you want to consider that fascism, so be it. Also, I believe in wealth influence but not rule. And the truth is that the American people decide that. As I've said in other threads, my vote is in my wallet. People made Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and the Walton family influential, even powerful in the American system.

The way I believe it, that power was given to them. And I'd take that over a monopolistic government who predetermines winners and losers. At least in my system, the people still have the power. What they do with that power, however, is up to them. Choices have consequences.
#15132852
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:As I've said in other threads, my vote is in my wallet.

Initially, until businesses price fix and monopolies form due to anti-competitive behavior by huge companies. That's why regulations are a must. Market failures and externalities (spillovers) are very much a thing too.
#15132854
Random American wrote:Initially, until businesses price fix and monopolies form due to anti-competitive behavior by huge companies. That's why regulations are a must.


They can't. Well, tech companies can. Also explains why they support the Democrat party.

For businesses without massive barriers of entry, that's impossible.

Also, government is the only true monopoly.

You sound like a real "doomsday capitalist". Competition keeps companies honest. There's always someone out there who will buck the system if they see a profit to be had, which prevents any sort of mass-scale collusion from happening. It's self-regulating. You don't need to appoint a bloated government to do it.
#15132871
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:Competition keeps companies honest. There's always someone out there who will buck the system if they see a profit to be had, which prevents any sort of mass-scale collusion from happening. It's self-regulating. You don't need to appoint a bloated government to do it.


Sometimes companies pricefix and don't compete and it makes them more money, and instead divide the country into areas where they dominate. In that case, they're price makers, not price takers, and don't count on someone new breaking into the market, as they might get get in on the price fixing scheme if it makes them more money, and if they are a threat, the established price-fixers use other guilded age tactics to drive them under, like pressing other companies to not do business with them. Government regulation didn't appear after the guilded age because of some evil mustache twirling government officials, but instead people pushed for it, as the "free" market was controlled by trusts and cartels. I see why your system requires a dictatorship, as it is a flawed economic policy that people would rightfully oppose, requiring a secret police to silence them, and you're hoping Trump would do something like that. Always the corporate profits and the stacks of money that show why torture chambers are good.
#15132873
Random American wrote:Sometimes companies pricefix and don't compete and it makes them more money, and instead divide the country into areas where they dominate. In that case, they're price makers, not price takers, and don't count on someone new breaking into the market, as they might get get in on the price fixing scheme if it makes them more money, and if they are a threat, the established price-fixers use other guilded age tactics to drive them under, like pressing other companies to not do business with them. Government regulation didn't appear after the guilded age because of some evil mustache twirling government officials, but instead people pushed for it, as the "free" market was controlled by trusts and cartels. I see why your system requires a dictatorship, as it is a flawed economic policy that people would rightfully oppose, requiring a secret police to silence them, and you're hoping Trump would do something like that. Always the corporate profits and the stacks of money that show why torture chambers are good.


Did I enter Opinion Polls, or Conspiracy Theories?
#15132874
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:Did I enter Opinion Polls, or Conspiracy Theories?

Criticism of a poster's political views is not a conspiracy theory especially when you sympathized with a fictional dictator, neither is the possibility of people rigging a market, as people have went to jail for schemes that harm consumers. Conspiracy Theories is for tinpot beliefs, like the belief in lizard people controlling everything, or that masks are part of a NWO conspiracy.

You're partially right on this being the wrong topic, so I'll probably end this.
#15132933
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:They can't. Well, tech companies can. Also explains why they support the Democrat party.

For businesses without massive barriers of entry, that's impossible.

Also, government is the only true monopoly.

You sound like a real "doomsday capitalist". Competition keeps companies honest. There's always someone out there who will buck the system if they see a profit to be had, which prevents any sort of mass-scale collusion from happening. It's self-regulating. You don't need to appoint a bloated government to do it.


Look back on the history of Capitalism proves you last point utterly wrong. Self regulation pfffftttt. Collusion, monopolies Cartels, are more profitable than competition. Free Markets are inherely unstable and contain all conistions nesscary for the rise of very unfree markets and cpaitalisists will always fo whats profitable, and competition is a last resort as it reduces rather than increases profits.

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