[Dan]

Mixed economy (right-wing)

Goran pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Grunch]

I'm glad this is an opinion poll

[Annatar]

Mixed economy (left-wing)

Essentially corporatism of the peronist kind that combines the interests of the workers and the nation.

[Ombrageux]

I voted mixed (left-wing) in the sense that taxes, redistribution and govt-led investment should be high. I don't necessarily think nationalized industries are a good thing.

[Rancid]

taxes, redistribution and govt-led investment should be high.

no, no and no.. ESPECIALLY to the third one..

[Vera Politica]

a classless, stateless society where everyone owns everything

You did notice that this wasn't really a proposed economic system.... right?

Anyway, I'm trying to work out (in my head) a functional economic system in the communist social model.... it would need to be a free market without private or state property.

[Nets]

Mixed economy (centrist)

Public Utilities, (Universal) Healthcare & Education, Defense, Health Insurance, Social Security -- all government run

Everything else -- let the market do its job

Food and housing subsidies for the poor, heavily regulated welfare entitlements

Telecom, Finance, Agriculture, Manufacturing -- all subject to Federal regulatory oversight but privately managed.

A nice mix, everyone goes home happy.

[Oxymoron]

Public Utilities, (Universal) Healthcare & Education, Defense, Health Insurance, Social Security -- all government run

Everything except the Defence is throwing money out the window.

food and housing subsidies for the poor

for short period of time would be acceptable.

A nice mix, everyone goes home happy.

not every one the middle calss would get screwed once again.

[Brutus]

A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.

Beautifully said.

[Noelnada]

First of all: COMMUNISM IS NOT FOR TODAY!
It would be great, if the human race were mature enough for communism, but it is not yet.

We'll just let starve the part of the human race which is not mature enough for communism. Emo-hippies have not contributed to a better world, Stalin did !

[Beren]

Mixed economy (centrist)

Public Utilities, (Universal) Healthcare & Education, Defense, Health Insurance, Social Security -- all government run

Everything else -- let the market do its job

Food and housing subsidies for the poor, heavily regulated welfare entitlements

Telecom, Finance, Agriculture, Manufacturing -- all subject to Federal regulatory oversight but privately managed.

A nice mix, everyone goes home happy.

It sounds nice to me either.

We'll just let starve the part of the human race which is not mature enough for communism. Emo-hippies have not contributed to a better world, Stalin did !

The whole human race is not matured enough for living in a classless society yet. Perhaps they could try it in Switzerland or Scandinavia, but I'm not sure they would relly benefit from it.

In my opinion Stalin mocked up the whole thing basically. It wasn't an accident, that Lenin didn't want him to follow him in charge. However, praising Stalin would be quite an unfortunate thing here in Hungary, we had some bad experiences with extreme bolshevism.

[Goranhammer]

Beautifully said.

I wish I could take credit for it. I'm sure Barry Goldwater thanks you though.

Public Utilities, (Universal) Healthcare & Education, Defense, Health Insurance, Social Security -- all government run

Public utilities come across a massive free rider inefficiency. Health care/insurance has a bit of the same problem as well as being incredibly expensive. Social Security is a joke; the money you receive for it is a joke. Just more proof of government inefficiency.

The state isn't a replacement for a brain. This is why most socialists you see are incredibly stupid.

[Lensky1917]

I am inclined to agree with casablanca working with your definitions. It is through the state in which people can own everything as it is the people who give them power to begin with. Furthermore, the communism by your definition cannot occur without socialism by your definition anyway.

[Beren]

I think his definitions are accurate, we've got to distinguish communal property and state property. Communal property would be a great thing, it it were able to work in our days.

[AmericanPatriot]

Emo-hippies have not contributed to a better world, Stalin did !

That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Unless that was sarcasm, then you've got real issues. Anyone who kills millions of people is not worthy of being a hero. I suppose you like Hitler too? Yeah, you should. They're great people...

Stalin, as head of the Politburo, consolidated near-absolute power in the 1930s with a Great Purge of the party, justified as an attempt to expel 'opportunists' and 'counter-revolutionary infiltrators'. Those targeted by the purge were often expelled from the party, however more severe measures ranged from banishment to the Gulag labor camps, to execution after trials held by NKVD troikas.

A leader who kills anyone who gets in his way. Such a great way to run a nation!

Early researchers attempting to tally the number of people killed under Stalin's regime were forced to rely largely upon anecdotal evidence. Their estimates ranged from a low of 3 million to as high as 60 million.

Yeah, what a great guy. Here let me repeat that for you:

Their estimates ranged from a low of 3 million to as high as 60 million.

KGB documents located in Kiev purportedly demonstrate how the Ukrainian famine (Holodomor) (1932–1933) was artificially engineered, and that while some areas of the Soviet Union affected by the famine were sent humanitarian aid, Ukraine was systematically denied such assistance. Also, the famine was accompanied by a devastating purge of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and the Ukrainian Communist party itself. One document is an order from Moscow to shoot people who steal food. It is signed by Stalin in red ink. According to Professor Donald Rayfield, within a year 6,000 had been executed and tens of thousands imprisoned.

Most modern scholars agree that the famine was caused by the policies of the government of the Soviet Union under Stalin, rather than by natural reasons. The Holodomor is sometimes referred to as the Ukrainian Genocide, implying that the Holodomor was engineered by the Soviets, specifically targeting the Ukrainian people to destroy the Ukrainian nation as a political factor and social entity. While historians continue to disagree whether the policies that led to Holodomor fall under the legal definition of genocide, twenty six countries have officially recognized the Holodomor as such. On 28 November 2006 the Ukrainian Parliament approved a bill, according to which the Soviet-era forced famine was an act of genocide against the Ukrainian people.

Shortly before, during and immediately after World War II, Stalin conducted a series of deportations on a huge scale which profoundly affected the ethnic map of the Soviet Union. It is estimated that between 1941 and 1949 nearly 3.3 million were deported to Siberia and the Central Asian republics.

Find a new hero.


By the way, capitalism and a free market get shit done. End of story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Sta ... portations

[NYYS]

Mixed economy (right-wing)

Private ownership is best for efficiency, but not best for making sure everyone gets a piece, therefore things that we want everyone to get a piece of need to be public - basic education, health care, police, fire, defense, etc.

Everything else, get your hands off so the nation can be wealthy.

Also, this topic just shows how screwy this forum is. Communism of course is cleaning up

[AmericanPatriot]

Also, this topic just shows how screwy this forum is. Communism of course is cleaning up

Hope that's sarcasm. Communism destroys nations. Lets think of some communist or previously communist regions. Hmm...Russia. What are three things you associate with Russia? Poverty, organized crime, and political instability. Oh wait, they're communists! Lets think here...China! Oh wait, pollution, poverty, disease, the list keeps going...Vietnam: poverty, etc.

Poverty seems to be a recurring theme. Communism doesn't work folks. It's great in theory, but modern societies can't handle it. Communism typically leads to totalitarian governments, economically dependent regions and subsequently impoverished areas, deportations (as seen under Stalin), and genocide (Stalin yet again.) I know I sound like a complete ass hole and wise ass, but I just don't see what attracts people to communism....

[NYYS]

Hope that's sarcasm. Communism destroys nations.

What? I think you misinterpreted what I said. There are few people on this forum who dislike communism more than I do.

My point was that this forum is overly slanted towards communism, as evidenced by the poll results. I was pointing out the overall detachment from reality.

[Eauz]

I was pointing out the overall detachment from reality.

What detachment from reality? Are you suggesting that in the Soviet Union, their economic policies were not real? What exactly is real in regard to the theory of the free market and the realities? What about economic voids? How can one be detached from reality, if reality is the environment one exists within?

Maybe economics professors are detached from reality since they teach the theory but never actually show the reality of the theory or the necessary reforms, subsidies and action taken by the state to be in some form beneficial?

Oddly enough, it was not until the threat of the USSR and other so-called communist nations did Western nations start to feel it was necessary to do something to capitalism to make it seem comfortable. Yet, it failed in the 1800's, the 1920's and 30's and the 70's and 80's. Now we are seeing the ill-effects of neo-liberal policies and the absurdity of them. Each time, some form of reform or state action was necessary to prevent revolts and strikes from turning ugly.

[Vera Politica]

Beautifully said.

That's cause Jefferson said it